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    Anyone remember last time we let "refugees" into Florida? Former President Carter: "We welcome you with open arms." Over half of them were released from the jails in Cuba and sent to us. In a short time, Miami became the crime capital of the United States.
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    Rigoberto Sanchez-Velasco was just one of them.

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    I wish the German government the best of luck with granting asylum to so many, many refugees.

    I sure hope the German government has considered these vital issues, as well as many others, in great depth:

    VETTING: How do you vet people from countries (yes, plural) where there's no good way to establish bona fides? Many of these people likely aren't refugees from the Syrian Civil War. From what I've read, a significant proportion of these people are from various African and Asian countries and are only looking for the goodies the German economy and government will provide them. In addition, with such an influx, some of these people are almost bound to be immigrant terrorists. With Germany's strict privacy laws, is there any way to hunt the terrorists down before they commit heinous crimes in the name of Allah or whatever?

    ASSIMILATION: In common with just about every country which has allowed such an influx, Germany's record with regard to cultural assimilation has not been very good over the decades. How about all those ethnic ghettos, where the kids and even grandkids of immigrants don't even speak the host country's language? I know we have them in the U.S., and from what I've read, European countries are even worse at assimilation than the U.S. Bobby Jindal, Governor of Louisiana, came up with an excellent saying which is worth careful consideration: "Immigration without assimilation is invasion." Maybe I'm just an old, fuddy-duddy conservative, but to my way of thinking, the supreme and overriding duty of any government is to protect its citizens from invasion.

    Please note that I'm not criticizing Angela Merkel's government or the German people in any way for making such a magnanimously humanitarian gesture. I just hope these issues, and a lot of others, have been carefully taken into account.

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    Germany in a state of SIEGE: Merkel was cheered when she opened the floodgates to migrants. Now, with gangs of men roaming the streets and young German women being told to cover up, the mood's changing

    * Thousands of economic migrants are posing as refugees to reach Europe
    * David Cameron said this week that Europe must said failed asylum claimants back to their countries
    * Demands for Germany's 'open doors and windows' policy to be scrapped
    * Women said rape and child abuse were rife in Giessen's refugee camp


    By Sue Reid
    The Daily Mail

    Giessen, Germany - On the busy shopping street in Giessen, a German university town twinned with Winchester, migrant Atif Zahoor tucks into a chicken dish with his brother and cousin at the curry restaurant Chillie To Go.

    They have left good jobs back in Karachi, Pakistan, and now want to be Europeans.

    In late July the three slipped into Germany with their wives and children, using illegal documents. They live together in a five-bedroom house, rented for them by Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government, a 40-minute drive away from Giessen, which is home to the biggest migrants’ camp in the country.

    ‘We paid a trafficking agent for false visas to fly here to Germany,’ says 34-year-old Atif. ‘We claimed asylum and came to Giessen camp with other migrants. Three weeks ago, because we had families, they gave us a proper home.’

    Atif is well-dressed and speaks perfect English. He used to be a transport manager at Karachi airport and is from a well-to-do family. Between mouthfuls of curry, he adds: ‘But there is violence between political gangs in Karachi. Lots of people are leaving for Europe. The trafficker decided that Germany was the place for us because it is welcoming refugees.’

    Yet the raw truth is that Atif is not fleeing war or persecution. He is one of thousands of economic migrants getting into Germany as the EU’s immigration crisis grows bigger each day.

    This week, David Cameron said Europe must send failed asylum claimants back to their own countries, while European Council president Donald Tusk has warned that millions more migrants are on their way and ‘the policy of open doors and windows’ must be scrapped.

    They are tough words, but it’s action that is needed. As Jens Spahn, a deputy finance minister in Chancellor Merkel’s government, said this week: ‘Not everyone can stay in Germany, or in Europe. If people are coming for poverty reasons... we have to send them back.’

    Mrs Merkel’s offer last month to accept all refugees from war-ravaged Syria opened the floodgates. More than a million migrants are expected this year alone, the bulk of them far from genuine asylum seekers. There is now deepening disquiet in this Christian country, dotted with churches, that it is being overwhelmed by people of a different religion and culture.

    Yesterday, the Mail reported how social workers and women’s groups in Giessen wrote a letter to the local state parliament claiming that rape and child abuse were rife in the refugee camp. The allegations were corroborated by Atif over his curry. ‘The camp is dangerous,’ he agreed. ‘Men of different nationalities fight and women are attacked.’

    The letter says the camp, far from being a peaceful haven for those fleeing war, is a dangerous melting-pot, where there have been ‘numerous rapes and sexual assaults, and forced prostitution’.

    There are even reports of children being raped and subjected to sexual assault, it adds.

    ‘Many women have felt the need to sleep in their clothes... they won’t go to the toilet at night because rapes and assaults have taken place on their way to, or from, there. Even in daylight, a walk through the camp is fraught with fear.’

    Controversially, the letter suggests that in the migrants’ culture, women are viewed differently: ‘It is a fact that women and children are unprotected. This situation is opportune for those men who already regard women as their inferiors and treat unaccompanied women as “fair game”.’

    Many migrant women have fled here to escape forced marriages or female genital mutilation, which are rife in some African and Middle Eastern countries. ‘They believe they have found safety in Germany,’ says the letter, ‘and realise it’s not the case.’

    Locals in Giessen are appalled by the rape allegations. But many are also increasingly worried about the effect of the migrants — some 6,000 Syrians, Iraqis, Pakistanis, Kurds, Eritreans and others are housed in the camp, which was expanded last year — on their everyday lives.

    Some complain that the migrants have taken over the town, which is famous for its botanical gardens and dotted with pretty boutiques and flower shops. You cannot miss the new arrivals, wandering the streets in large groups.

    Migrants and refugees queue at the compound outside the Berlin Office of Health and Social Affairs as they wait for their registration. But there are warnings that millions more newcomers should be expected in the current migrant crisis

    ‘We paid a trafficking agent for false visas to fly here to Germany,’ says 34-year-old Atif. ‘We claimed asylum and came to Giessen camp with other migrants. Three weeks ago, because we had families, they gave us a proper home.’

    At the Lidl supermarket a few hundred yards from the camp, a well-dressed German woman packing her shopping into a Mercedes saloon rolls her eyes at me as a group of Middle Eastern youths walk by. ‘What do we do?’ she asks. ‘It has happened now and it will never be the same again.’

    Some of the tales being told in Germany may just be xenophobic scaremongering. But there is no doubt that the country is grappling with a major culture clash as migrants pour in at the rate of 100 an hour or more.

    At other camps among the 2,000 that have sprung up in Germany, I hear various lurid complaints about the arrivals, 80 per cent of whom are Muslim, single and male.

    At a former U.S. military base housing some 2,000 migrants in Bayernkaserne, on the outskirts of Munich, women’s rights groups say there is forced prostitution and rape every day. Men, women and children sleep next to each other in tents and, according to one social worker interviewed on local TV, the camp is ‘the biggest brothel in the city’ where the price for sex with a female migrant is €10 (£7).

    The guards hired from a private company by the German government to provide security at the huge site were found by police to be trafficking drugs, guns and knives among the migrants as well as turning a blind eye to prostitution.

    Yards from the camp, I talk to a Somali girl of 18, wearing a hijab. ‘We are scared some nights,’ she says solemnly, clutching her charity clothes in a white plastic bag.

    In other parts of the country, Germans are being told to adapt their lifestyles when migrants arrive.

    Police in the Bavarian town of Mering, where a 16-year-old girl was reportedly raped this month, have warned parents not to allow their children outside unaccompanied.

    Girls and women have been told not to walk home alone from the railway station because it is near a migrant centre where the rapist may live.

    At Pocking, another well-kept Bavarian town, the headmaster of the grammar school wrote to parents telling them not to let their daughters wear skimpy clothing. This was to avoid ‘misunderstandings’ with 200 migrants who were put up in the school’s gymnasium over the summer, before being moved on this month.

    The letter to parents said the migrants were ‘mainly Muslim, and speak Arabic. They have their own culture. Because our school is directly next to where they are staying, modest clothing should be warn... revealing tops or blouses, short skirts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings.’

    A 19-year-old waitress at a coffee bar in the town tells me: ‘We saw them [the migrants] walking around and they saw us. Of course, we were worried. We were told to be extra careful when they were here.’

    A local politician, who refuses to be named, is quoted in Die Welt, one of the most respected German newspapers: ‘These Muslim teenage boys come from a culture where for women it is frowned upon to show naked skin.

    'They will follow girls and bother them without realising it is not acceptable. Naturally, their behaviour generates fear.’

    At yet another migrant camp in Detmold, a city in central Germany, a 13-year-old Muslim girl was raped by a fellow migrant. The child and her mother had fled to Europe to escape a ‘culture of sexual violence’ in their own country.

    Astonishingly, police kept silent about the rape, which took place in June. Only this month, after a local newspaper revealed that it had happened — and claimed German authorities are not ‘going public’ about crimes involving migrants because they don’t want to ‘give legitimacy’ to critics of mass migration — did they confirm it had taken place.

    The area’s police chief, Bernd Flake, insists the official silence was meant to protect the rape victim. But he adds: ‘We will continue this policy (of not informing the public) whenever crimes are committed in migrant facilities.’

    Meanwhile, the migrants keep arriving. Many have deliberately thrown away their passports on their journey through Europe, so they can pretend to be Syrian refugees rather than economic migrants.

    The authorities, now being urged by both the EU and Germany’s leaders to return those who aren’t genuine, are completely overwhelmed.

    At Freilassing, on the border with Austria, I see hundreds of migrants waiting in teeming rain to reach Mrs Merkel’s promised land. Wrapped in see-through charity macs, they queue excitedly for soup. Most have travelled for weeks, from Turkey by boat to Greece, then via Macedonia, Serbia and Croatia to Austria.

    ‘We are nearly there,’ says Arun Ari, 27, grinning. He comes from the Syrian town of Kobane, where Kurdish fighters have been battling Islamic State for two years.

    He seems a deserving refugee among so many who are not, yet won’t show me his identity papers.

    Deserving or not, he faces a tough future. Arun will be processed in one of the camps set up all over Germany in former military bases, school gymnasiums, sports halls, even a former monastery. Yet, just like him, almost every male migrant I meet is optimistic.

    Outside the Bayernkaserne camp, for instance, I meet Ali, who arrived eight days ago via Greece. He used to be a travel agent in Lahore, the cultural capital of Pakistan.

    ‘When I lost my job, I set out with six friends,’ he says. ‘There is every nation in the camp — a lot from Pakistan, like me. I chose Germany because they want us here.’

    I dare not tell Ali this is not entirely true. Unless he is lucky, he won’t be given refugee status, as he is an economic migrant.

    It is the same story when I meet Janaid Jamshad, a 25-year-old former student.

    Also from Lahore, he has been here for ten days. ‘I came to Germany first in 2013 and they pushed me out again,’ he says with a laugh. ‘I came back when I heard Mrs Merkel was opening the doors. I have claimed asylum and they are processing my application. Because I am young, I hope they will take me.’

    Not that everything is rosy for him now. ‘The camp is overflowing,’ he says. ‘I have just been to the doctor in the shopping centre because I have a headache. Even there, there are queues of migrants waiting. The doctors at the camp will only give one pill at a time. So we find other places for medical help, and pay for it.’

    Back in the Giessen curry house, I continue talking to asylum claimant Atif. ‘We think having children will help us,’ he says. ‘Our house is very big, and they give us money, too.’

    I point out that Karachi, despite the political violence there, is not in a war zone.

    He still hopes to persuade the authorities he is a genuine refugee, though, and hopes he won’t be returned to Pakistan because he now has no official national identity — in a deal with the smuggling gang, he handed them his own passport and those of his family when they arrived in Germany. They were the ‘payment’ in exchange for the family’s fake visas and will be used again to smuggle more customers into Europe.

    ‘My children deserve a better life than in Pakistan,’ says Atif. ‘They will grow up happy in Germany.’

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    Kurdish women have more balls than these guys. They are willing to take up arms and fight.

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    Germany: 20-year-old Syrian rape victim stabbed to death by father and brothers for being 'unclean'

    By Johnlee Varghese
    The International Business Times

    A 20-year-old Syrian who escaped to Germany after being gang-raped in Syria, was stabbed to death by her own family as they claimed she was 'unclean'.

    The plan to murder the girl, identified as Rokstan M, was hatched by her mother and executed by her father and brothers, who then buried her in a garden in the city of Dessau, eastern Germany, according to Bild. The family was living in a housing site designated for the Syrian refugees.

    Authorities believe the victim's family is responsible for the woman's death and that the murder was "carried out by persons in her close circle with a cultural motive," attorney general Christian Preissner said.

    The police believe that the mother of Rokstan ordered for the execution and her two brothers and father carried out the honour killing.

    Investigators grew suspicious about the involvement of the family after reading the young girl's WhatsApp status message in which she said: "I am awaiting death. But I am too young to die."

    Rokstan had arrived in Germany from Syria two year ago, after being gang-raped by three men back home. In Germany, she had been living in a home for single women but recently had returned to her family, according to the Daily Mail.

    A former employer of Rokstan, Mark Kruger, who engaged her to interpret interviews he conducted with refugees for a book, told the police that her mother often referred to her as 'unclean', the Daily Mirror reports.

    "I was taken by three men. Ever since that time my family have regarded me as unclean. My mother and brothers mistreat me. They say I deserve to die," the 20-year old Syrian girl told Kruger in a taped interview.

    The mother has denied the charges, while her husband and two sons have reportedly fled.

    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/germany-20-...unclean-649721

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    These honour killings will only increase in Germany, now that they are letting so many Muslims in. Next thing you know the German government is going to feel pressure to allow them to have Sharia law, just like in New York City and Michigan.

    Despicable crime they should all go to prison for life.
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    ‘Targeted for extermination’: Harper says prioritizing Christian and religious minority refugees isn’t discriminatory

    OTTAWA — Conservative Leader Stephen Harper says his government’s policy of prioritizing certain refugees, primarily Christians and other religious minorities, isn’t discriminatory.

    The government is merely prioritizing those Christians and other Muslim minorities — as opposed to Muslim Sunnis and Shiites — who are being targeted by the self-proclaimed Islamic State, Harper said this week.

    “We are giving priority to the people who are the most vulnerable,” Harper said during a campaign event in Richmond, B.C.

    “It is the ethnic and religious minorities in Iraq and Syria who are, in fact, targeted for extermination by the armed group Islamic State and their allies.”

    What Harper didn’t mention, however, is that all the resettled refugee candidates Ottawa is considering are far from Islamic State’s reach and are located in places like Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey.

    Faisal Alazem of the Syrian Canadian Council says the Conservatives “know full well the majority of people who are paying the price are Sunni Muslim.

    “Of course, the Yazidis, the Christians are suffering and are being persecuted,” Alazem said. “(Islamic State) is also persecuting Muslims. So this idea that Islamic State is only persecuting Christians or Kurds is false.”

    Asked whether or not he personally ordered the government to prioritize certain groups over others, Harper dodged the question.

    “The selection of refugees is never done by political people,” he said. “It’s done by bureaucrats.”

    During the past several days on the campaign trail, Harper and his immigration minister, Chris Alexander, confirmed that bureaucrats received orders from the Conservative government to give priority to Syrians who are religious or ethnic minorities such as Christians, Ismailis and Kurds.

    “These people deserve our protection,” Alexander said last week. “(It’s) the Yazidis, many Christian groups, Muslim minorities who are in extreme danger, persecuted, by Islamic State.”

    The government’s directives seem to have run up against several obstacles.

    Sources told The Canadian Press the government was relying on Catholic disaster relief group, Caritas, and the Danish Refugee Council (DRC) for referrals on Christian and other minority refugees.

    Neither of these groups, however, agreed to help.

    We were asked to stop referring refugees because we were seen as encouraging Christians to leave the Middle East.

    A DRC spokesperson said they “couldn’t comment on what other people are doing but we never discriminate based on ethnicity or religion.”

    Isabelle Saade, who until two months ago was responsible for refugees with Caritas in Lebanon, said she didn’t know if her former bosses were approached by Canadian authorities to help filter refugees.

    In an phone interview from Beirut, she said it would have been impossible for her former organization to have fulfilled Canada’s request because Caritas had stopped referring refugees to countries.

    “It caused us problems,” she explained. “We were asked to stop referring refugees because we were seen as encouraging Christians to leave the Middle East.”

    The Harper government had no choice but to welcome refugees selected by the United Nations Refugee Agency, which doesn’t take into account religion or ethnicity unless those characteristics would put the refugees in danger in their destination country.

    That’s why the Harper government, after choosing to suspend refugees applications from the UN agency, approached the country’s churches to sponsor refugees.

    The government counted on private sponsorships — the majority of which come from churches — to ensure that the 10,000 Syrian refugees the government promised to welcome were Christians or from other minority groups.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...discriminatory
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