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    Innocents are much more at risk without the death penalty.

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    a) SNIP If you are OK with that and think that is a price worth paying then ok lets hope it that guy isnt someone you know and love.
    You missed the obvious point.

    Innocents are much more at risk without the death penalty.

    It is your position which will sacrifice many more innocents, as I detailed.

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    Catholic Church Death Penalty Errors

    Dudley Sharp

    Archbishop Charles Chaput (2005):

    “Both Scripture and long Christian tradition acknowledge the legitimacy of capital punishment . . . " "The Church cannot repudiate (the death penalty) without repudiating her own identity."

    With regard to the death penalty, Saint Pope John Paul II (SPJPII) made a prudential judgement, within Evangelium Vitae (EV), and such judgement was factually and rationally in error and, then, those errors were amended into The Catechism of the Catholic Church, CCC 2267.

    Kevin L. Flannery S.J., Consultor of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

    “The most reasonable conclusion to draw from this discussion is that, once again, the Catechism is simply wrong from an historical point of view. Traditional Catholic teaching did not contain the restriction enunciated by Pope John Paul II." (4).

    “The realm of human affairs is a messy one, full of at least apparent inconsistency and incoherence, and the recent teaching of the Catholic Church on capital punishment—vitiated, as I intend to show, by errors of historical fact and interpretation—is no exception.” (4)

    CCC 2267 is problematic by reason, facts and secular concerns, alone. Theological and traditional teachings of the Church also have challenges for CCC 2267.

    Saint (& Pope) Pius V, "The just use of (executions), far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this (Fifth) Commandment which prohibits murder." "The Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent" (1566).

    Paramount obedience.

    more here:

    Catholic Church: Problems with Her Newest Death Penalty Position:
    The Catechism & Section 2267
    http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2015/0...-problems.html
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    I believe in the death penalty saving people. For instance, there has been Colorado inmate murders at the Sterling Correctional Facility. Suppose there was an inmate that has changed and is ready to re-enter society and ends up getting murdered, is it fair? Missouri is the only state that allows its death row inmates to mix with the general population. So if you sentence that dangerous criminal to death, you are actually protecting the other inmates and even the death of an inmate has an effect on people in the state especially if the inmate is a father to a few young children who could have expected to see him come out of prison at one point.

    There is also no knowing how those people serving LWOP sentences could inspire non-LWOP prisoners to carry out some kind of revenge killing for the LWOP prisoner. This cannot be emphasized enough given the death of the CDOC Director Tom Clements by someone who was part of a prison gang at Sterling and some members of that prison gang certainly are serving LWOP sentences. Those lifers ought to not be around the general prison population of any prison.

    Wikipedia page on Tom Clements: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cl...blic_official)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Go look up Kenneth McDuff, he claimed he was placed on Death Row for a crime he did not commit. And was later released by a parole board because they believed he was innocent, McDuff then killed between 6-10 people after being released from prison.
    Incorrect. It had nothing to do with his innocence. When he was sentenced, life meant with parole eligibility after 20 years.

    There was never any doubt about his killing three children.

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    The "Exonerated"/"Innocent" Frauds

    The "Exonerated"/"Innocent" Frauds
    71-83% Error Rate in Death Row "Innocent" Claims, Well Known Since 2000

    from: Dudley Sharp, independent researcher, pro death penalty expert, former opponent, 832-439-2113, CV upon request

    The "Exonerated"/"Innocent" Frauds

    1) Deception: The DPIC "Exonerated"/"Innocence" List
    (see fact checking/vetting model-use it)
    https://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2019/...ence-list.html

    2) Death Row, "Exonerations", Media & Intentional Fraud
    https://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2019/...nal-fraud.html

    3) The Innocent Frauds: Standard Anti Death Penalty Deception
    https://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2013/...nti-death.html

    4) How many DNA "exonerations" are guilty?
    Section (3) within
    Death Row, "Exonerations", Media & Intentional Fraud
    https://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2019/...nal-fraud.html

    5) The 4.1% "Innocent" on Death Row: More Nonsense
    https://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2015/...death-row.html

    6) The Absurdity of the "Exonerated Five"
    The very obvious frauds of the Central Park Five
    https://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2019/...e-reality.html

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    7) The Death Penalty: Saving More Innocent Lives
    http://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2013/1...ts-matter.html

    8) Deterrence, Death Penalties & Executions
    https://prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2019/...xecutions.html

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    Ubsub: Do you, really, care about innocents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unsub View Post
    a) 70-83% of the anti death penalty folks claims of death row "exonerations" are false.

    Without looking at the numbers, shouldn't 1 real exonaration be enough? And my guess is 17% is alot more then 1.

    Although i dont believe in the DP in any scenario, i do think there is no right answer it isnt science it is a believe system. But i firmly believe that the DP has or will eventually kill an innocent person ( or at least someone that didnt deserve the DP ). If you are OK with that and think that is a price worth paying then ok lets hope it that guy isnt someone you know and love.
    The norm is that anti-death penalty folks want to save murderers lives, no matter the cost, including the costs of more innocents harmed and murdered.

    As detailed, the death penalty protects innocents, in three ways, better than does life without parole. Two of those are unchallenged. One is challenged, but prevails with fact checking and vetting.

    Therefore, ending the death penalty will cause more innocent dead and injured.

    Are you against parole, probation, pre-trial releases and early release of criminals? After those releases, those are responsible for the additional murders of 500,000 innocents, since 1973, and an additional 3.5 million rapes, other assaults and robberies.

    If you think the possibility of one innocent executed should ban executions, what of banning parole, probations, pre-trial releases,

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