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    Logan Sinclair Sentenced in 2015 OH Murder of 50-Year-Old Robert "Bob" Sposit


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    Cleveland man faces murder charge in Parma gas station owner's shooting death

    By Evan MacDonald
    cleveland.com

    PARMA, Ohio -- A Cleveland man faces an aggravated murder charge in the shooting death of a Parma gas station owner.

    Logan Sinclair, 21, is accused of shooting and killing Robert Sposit during a robbery Saturday at Sunoco on Pearl Road.

    Sinclair, who was struck by bullets during the shootout, underwent surgery at MetroHealth and remains hospitalized. His condition has improved but there is no timetable for his release from the hospital, police said Tuesday.

    He will appear in Parma Municipal Court once he is released.

    Sinclair tried to rob the gas station shortly after 7:30 p.m., police said. He got into a shootout with Sposit before driving away from the gas station.

    Investigators found him hiding in a house on West 46th Street near Brookpark Road. A SWAT team surrounded the house and convinced him to surrender, police said.

    Sposit, 50, of Parma, owned the gas station and was a father of three who friends described as hardworking, honest and respectful.

    Friends who gathered Sunday for a memorial outside the gas station said Sposit owned the business for several years and was well known in the neighborhood. Others at the memorial said Sposit was a humble man who was always cracking jokes.

    Saturday was the second time Sposit's gas station was robbed this year. The Sunoco was also the target of an incident in April when four masked men robbed the store at the gunpoint.

    Police later arrested six suspects in connection with that robbery and several others in Greater Cleveland.

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    Bond set at $3 million for man accused in fatal shooting of Parma gas station owner

    PARMA, Ohio -- A Parma judge set bond at $3 million for a Cleveland man who is accused in the shooting death of a gas station owner.

    Logan Sinclair, 21, was arraigned Wednesday morning on an aggravated murder charge.

    His case was bound over to the Cuyahoga County Common Pleas Court.

    Sinclair is accused of shooting and killing Robert Sposit during a robbery Saturday at Sunoco on Pearl Road.

    Sposit, 50, of Parma, owned the gas station for years, and friends described him as hardworking, honest and respectful. Sposit's wife and three sons were in attendance but declined to be interviewed after the hearing.

    Sinclair was wearing an anti-suicide smock during the hearing because he made statements indicating he might harm himself, police said.

    Sinclair's family was stunned by his arrest, said John Edwards, who has been in a relationship with Sinclair's mother for the past seven years.

    "We're just totally shocked," Edwards said. "Our sympathies go out to the [Sposit] family."

    Sinclair "had his troubles like any other teenager," but was never violent, Edwards said. Sinclair lived with his uncle in Cleveland and his girlfriend in Parma, but recently rented his own apartment and held two jobs.

    "Things were looking up for him," Edwards said. "How all this came about, or why all this came about, we are totally baffled."

    Sinclair tried to rob the Sunoco gas station shortly after 7:30 p.m., but got into a shootout with Sposit, police said.

    Two witnesses, who were deaf and did not hear the gunshots, interrupted the shooting when they walked into the gas station. Sinclair shot at one of the witnesses, but did not harm him, police said Wednesday.

    Sinclair could face additional charges for shooting at the witness, police said.

    Sinclair left the gas station in a gold Nissan. Officers spotted the car a short time later outside a house on West 46th Street near Brookpark Road. A SWAT team surrounded the house and persuaded Sinclair to surrender, police said.

    Sinclair was taken to MetroHealth, where he underwent surgery. He was released from the hospital on Tuesday evening and taken to the Parma Detention Center.

    Investigators said that Sinclair also robbed Charlie's Beverage on Ridge Road in Cleveland approximately 30 minutes before he arrived at Sunoco. No one was harmed during that robbery, police said.

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    Family of man who was killed inside his Parma gas station says suspect was a regular customer

    By Kristin Volk
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    PARMA, Ohio - The family of a Parma man killed inside his own gas station said the suspected killer was a regular customer.

    “He’s been here, he’s paid for stuff before,” said Brandon Sposit, the son of Bob Sposit, the victim. “Why not this time, why did he have to go to those lengths?”

    21-year-old Logan Sinclair is in jail on a $3 million bond, indicted for murder, aggravated murder, aggravated robbery, felonious assault and kidnapping,

    Parma Police said Sinclair fatally shot Sposit on Saturday evening, Nov. 28. He also shot at a witness.

    “I just got a phone call that I will never forget,” said Brandon. “My mom was sobbing on the phone. I knew it wasn’t good right off the bat.”

    Sposit’s family said Bob had owned the Sunoco Station at 5385 Pearl Road for the past 25 years. He usually opened the store in the morning, and more recently he closed it up at night too.

    His family described him as a devoted businessman who was even more devoted to his family.

    “He coached all of our teams, our baseball teams, our soccer teams,” added Brandon. “He was big into that. He was always doing something with us.”

    Bob, who was 50 years old, leaves behind a wife and three sons. He had been robbed at his store before, and in April one of his employees was robbed. The family plans to sell the gas station.

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    Woman arrested as second suspect involved in robbery, fatal shooting of Sunoco gas station owner

    PARMA, Ohio - A woman suspected of assisting a man with the robbery of a Sunoco gas station, which resulted in the fatal shooting of the owner of the business, has been arrested by police.

    Parma police reported the woman was arrested as a result of an ongoing investigation into the Nov. 28 robbery and fatal shooting of Sunoco gas station owner Robert Sposit.

    Christine L. Saunders, 38, of Parma, was arrested for her role in assisting 21-year-old Logan Sinclair with the robbery, according to police.

    Sinclair was indicted by a Cuyahoga County Grand Jury for the fatal shooting of Sposit.
    He was arrested and appeared in court on Dec. 2. He was given a $3 million bond.

    Police said Saunders is charged with one count of obstructing justice, a third-degree felony.

    According to a police report, shortly after the robbery Saunders was contacted by Sinclair who said he was at her home. When Saunders got there, she saw Sinclair was bleeding from two gunshot wounds. Instead of calling 9-1-1, police said Saunders left the home and went to a nearby store to purchase a set of pliers to help Sinclair remove the bullets from his body.

    When she returned to her home, Parma police already had the area surrounded and believed Sinclair was inside the home. Police said Saunders lied to police at the scene, telling them she had not seen Sinclair that day and did not know where he was.

    Saunders is scheduled to appear in Parma Municipal Court on Dec. 14 at 11 a.m.

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    Parma Sunoco killer pleads guilty, faces life in prison

    By John Harper
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    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A 22-year-old Cleveland man who shot and killed a Parma gas station owner during a botched armed robbery earlier this year pleaded guilty Monday to aggravated murder.

    Logan Daniel Sinclair now faces life in prison, with the earliest possibility for parole in 26 years.

    Sinclair barged into a Sunoco station on Nov. 28 in the 5300 block of Pearl Road, armed with a pistol. Fifty-year-old store owner Robert Sposit drew his own gun and forced Sinclair to the ground.

    When Sposit turned his head to call for help, Sinclair shot him four times. He then turned and shot at a witness, then wrestled another bystander to the ground before leaving.

    Sposit died later that night.

    In addition to aggravated murder, Sinclair also pleaded guilty to two counts of felonious assault with a firearm and three counts of aggravated robbery. Seven other counts were dropped as part of the plea agreement.

    Sinclair's case was set to go to trial Monday morning. His suicide attempt in county jail last week triggered a psychological evaluation, but a court psychologist found Sinclair competent to stand trial in an 11th hour report completed Friday afternoon.

    Sposit's family and Sinclair's mother sat in the back of the courtroom Monday morning during the pleading for mercy on Sinclair's behalf. The 22-year-old looked toward his mother and mouthed "I love you" as he was taken out a side door in handcuffs.

    The earliest date he can be released from prison is in 2041.

    Cuyahoga Common Pleas Judge Brian J. Corrigan, who can also consider sentencing Sinclair to life without possibility of parole, will issue a sentence Nov. 14.

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    Suspect in fatal armed robbery at Parma Sunoco withdraws guilty plea

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    PARMA, OH (WOIO) - Logan Sinclair, 21, was scheduled to be sentenced Monday after pleading guilty last month to aggravated murder in the fatal armed robbery at the Sunoco Gas Station on Pearl Rd. in Parma on Nov. 28, 2015. However, Sinclair instead withdrew his guilty plea and will now go to trial.

    Police responded to the Sunoco around 7:30 p.m. for a report of shots fired inside the business. When officers arrived, they found owner Robert Sposit, 50, dead inside.

    Police say that Sinclair entered the store and demanded money before attempting to flee. Sposit then shot Sinclair, who fell to the ground. Sposit attempted to detain him by standing over him and holding him at gunpoint, but, as he turned his head to tell witnesses to call 911, he was shot four times.

    Police say Sinclair then pointed his firearm at another witness and fired a round at him before wrestling a second witness and fleeing the store.

    Later that night, a Parma police officer observed a car in the 5200 block of West 46th Street in Parma that matched the description of the car Sinclair allegedly used when he fled the scene.

    Police discovered that Sinclair was hiding inside a house on the street. SWAT was called in and authorities surrounded the home. Sinclair eventually surrendered to police. He was taken to MetroHealth Hospital for treatment for his gunshot wound.

    Sinclair will now go to trial starting Jan. 17, 2017.

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    Trial underway for man accused of murdering Parma gas station owner

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    CLEVELAND, OH (WOIO) - Prosecutors are now calling witnesses in the trial for Logan Sinclair.

    The 21-year-old is accused of killing the Sunoco gas station owner at 5385 Pearl Road in Parma in November of 2015.

    Police say Sinclair pointed a gun at owner Robert Sposit and demanded money from the cash register.

    After giving Sinclair the money, Sposit pulled out his own gun, shot Sinclair and attempted to hold him at gunpoint. When Sposit turned to tell a witness to call 911, Sinclair shot Sposit four times.

    Sposit was pronounced dead at the scene.

    Sinclair also allegedly shot at a witness and wrestled with a second witness before running from the store.

    He was arrested hours later hiding in a home on W. 46th Street in Parma. After surrendering to Parma police, Sinclair was treated and released from MetroHealth Hospital for his gunshot wound.

    Sinclair is charged with aggravated murder, aggravated robbery, felonious assault and kidnapping.

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    Parma gas station killing suspect claims self-defense in botched robbery

    By Cory Shaffer
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    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A lawyer for the 20-year-old man who shot and killed the beloved owner of a Parma gas station in 2015 admitted to a jury that his client is guilty of robbing the store.

    Logan Sinclair said he acted in self-defense when shot 50-year-old Robert Sposit during the hold-up, attorney Jeffrey Richardson said in closing arguments Wednesday.

    Prosecutors countered that it was Sposit who defended himself from the armed Sinclair.

    "Self-defense is for reasonable people acting lawfully," assistant Cuyahoga County prosecutor Dan Cleary told the jury. "[Sinclair] is neither of those."

    Jurors are expected to begin deliberations Wednesday afternoon on whether to convict Sinclair of aggravated murder, murder, aggravated robbery and other charges in two Nov. 28, 2015 robberies that resulted in Sposit's death and a SWAT standoff.

    Sinclair, now 21, faces life in prison if convicted of the most serious charges. He pleaded guilty in October, but took back his plea and decided to take his case to trial.

    A masked Sinclair went into Pearl Road Sunoco about 7:30 p.m., pulled a pistol and demanded money, prosecutors said.

    Sposit, who owned the station for several years, pulled his own gun and shot Sinclair during the robbery, police said. He then stood over Sinclair, held him at gunpoint and ordered two regulars at the store, who happened to be deaf, to call 911, prosecutors said.

    When the deaf men gave no response, the store owner turned his head and Sinclair pulled out his own gun, shot Sposit and ran from the store, prosecutors said. He turned and fired off one last round at the two customers, but missed them both, Cleary said.

    Sinclair drove away in a gold Nissan. Police tracked the license plate number to a home on West 46th Street, where they found the car and saw blood in the front seat, prosecutors said.

    A SWAT team surrounded the house and Sinclair surrendered.

    Cleary said Sinclair had tried to remove the bullet from himself instead of going to the hospital.

    Richardson argued that Sinclair had only meant to rob the store and was taken aback when Sposit pulled his own weapon. The two struggled and Sinclair fired five shots to defend himself from further injury, Richardson argued.

    Richardson said that because Sinclair did not plan to kill Sposit, the jury should find Sinclair not guilty of any murder charges.

    "You saw the robbery. It happened," Richardson said. "But that's where we draw the line."

    But Cleary pointed to a hole in that defense. He argued that Sinclair is also charged with felony murder, a statute under Ohio law that allows prosecutors to charge someone with murder if a person dies in the commission of another crime, including aggravated robbery.

    "You come into a store and stick a gun in man's face, and [the defense] wants to act surprised when someone defends themselves," Cleary asked the jury.

    Cleary said Sinclair must be held responsible for his decision to rob the store.

    "I don't care if Bob Sposit shot him 20 times. He walked into that store and put a gun in Bob's face when Bob was just doing his job," Cleary said.

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    Man guilty of murder in deadly Parma gas station killing

    By Cory Shaffer
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    CLEVELAND, Ohio -- A jury has found a 21-year-old Parma man guilty of aggravated murder and more than a dozen other charges in the November 2015 killing of a gas station owner during a botched robbery.

    Logan Sinclair
    now faces life in prison after the jury returned its verdict late Thursday, finding him guilty of aggravated murder, murder, felonious assault, aggravated robbery, kidnapping and other charges in the shooting of Robert Sposit.

    Four jurors wiped away tears as Judge Brian J. Corrigan read the guilty verdicts, which came about a day after jurors began deliberations.

    Jurors' "heated discussions" could be heard in the courtroom on Thursday afternoon before the verdict was reached, Corrigan said. Several jurors were visibly shaken and using tissues to wipe their eyes and noses.

    Sinclair remained emotionless throughout the hearing. He is scheduled to be sentenced April 20.

    Sinclair had struck a plea deal with prosecutors in October to plead guilty to one count of aggravated murder, felonious assault and aggravated robbery charges on the day his trial was originally set to begin, but later retracted his plea.

    Sinclair had gotten addicted to drugs, police said, and took to robbing stores to fuel his addiction. He told investigators he borrowed a pistol from his dealer and went to two gas stations on Nov. 11, 2015. First he robbed a gas station on Fulton Road in Cleveland, then went to hold up the Pearl Road Sunoco.

    Sposit, who owned the gas station for years, was behind the counter when Sinclair entered the store and stuck a pistol in the 50-year-old's face.

    Sposit drew a weapon of his own and shot Sinclair twice. Sinclair fell to the ground and Sposit stood over him, gun drawn, and asked a witness in the store to call 911. The witness, who was deaf, didn't respond and Sposit turned to him. That's when
    Sinclair pulled his pistol back out and shot Sposit multiple times. He got up, started to run and fired off a shot at the witness as he left the store, police said.

    Sinclair then drove to a house and tried to remove the bullets from his body instead of going to a hospital. Parma police spotted his car and a SWAT team surrounded the house. Sinclair was arrested.

    Sinclair's lawyers argued at trial that he only shot in self-defense, after Sposit opened fire on him and after a brief struggle.

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    Parma gas station killer gets life in prison after emotional sentencing

    The widow of a Parma gas station owner who was killed during a botched 2015 robbery attempt at his store told a judge on Thursday that the man convicted of killing her husband was "evil."

    Kimberly Sposit sobbed as she stood behind a lectern before Judge Brian J. Corrigan, surrounded by her three sons, and recounted how Logan Sinclair ripped the future away from her.

    "I hate that he's still breathing," she said of Sinclair. "I want him to feel pain everyday that he's in prison like my family feels. I want the rest of his life to be just pure hell. He owns this."

    Corrigan sentenced Sinclair to life in prison with the possibilty of parole after 50 years for killing Robert Sposit on Nov. 28, 2015 at the Pearl Road Sunoco, firing at another customer inside the store and robbing a convenience store minutes earlier in Cleveland.

    A masked Sinclair went into Pearl Road Sunoco about 7:30 p.m. in the evening, pulled a pistol and demanded money, prosecutors said.

    Sposit pulled his own gun and shot Sinclair during the robbery, then stood over Sinclair, held him at gunpoint and ordered two regulars at the store, who happened to be deaf, to call 911, prosecutors said.

    When the deaf men gave no response, the store owner turned his head and Sinclair pulled out his gun, shot Sposit and ran from the store, prosecutors said. He turned and fired off one last round that missed the two customers, Cleary said.

    Sinclair drove to a home on West 46th Street, where they found the getaway car and saw blood in the front seat, prosecutors said. A SWAT team surrounded the house and Sinclair surrendered. Sinclair tried to remove the bullet from himself instead of going to the hospital, prosecutors said.

    A jury convicted Sinclair last month. He and his lawyers, Jeff Richardson and James McDonnell, argued at trial that, while Sinclair did rob the stores, he only fired after Sposit shot him.

    Logan faced a minimum of life in prison with parole eligibility after 20 years. But Corrigan handed down life with parole after 30 years on an aggravated murder charge, and imposed consecutive sentences for the robbery of the convenience store. He also tacked on several firearm specifications bringing the base-minimum prison sentence to 50 years.

    Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Michael O'Malley issued a statement after the sentence was handed down calling business owners "the backbone of our community."

    "We are reminded all too often these hard-working people are targeted by cowards," O'Malley said. "Today justice was served, but the sentence will not fill the void of this family's tragic loss."

    Sinclair will be nearly 70 years old when he is released, barring any successful appeals.

    Richardson had asked Corrigan for leniency on Sinclair, citing what he called a "stereotypical background" for young men who run afoul of the law.

    Sinclair spent a portion of his childhood in foster care because one of his parents was incarcerated, Richardson said. And, aside from a few misdemeanors, the then-20-year-old Sinclair had no criminal history when he robbed the two stores that day.

    Parma police said that Sinclair said during questioning that he had been fueled by a drug addiction.

    "You have before you a young man who, in the span of about 30 minutes, managed to ruin his entire life," Richardson told Corrigan.

    Assistant Cuyahoga County prosecutor Dan Cleary implored Corrigan to sentence him to the maximum, because Sinclair had continuously refused to take responsibility for Sposit's death.

    Cleary said that the first thing Sinclair said to investigators after his arrest was that Sposit had shot him before he opened fire, and that he only started crying after he learned that Sposit had died and he realized he was going to prison.

    "There are no tears of sympathy for the Sposit family in that video," Cleary said. "Not once, at all, has he said 'I shouldn't have been robbing that store. It's my fault.'"

    But Sinclair did just that when it was his turn to speak Thursday. Sinclair, in an orange jumpsuit with his hands cuffed behind his back, turned to Kimberly Sposit and her sons in the back of the courtroom and apologized for what he did.

    "I can't take it back. It was nobody's fault but mine," Sinclair said, his voice shaking as McDonnell held a letter in front of him. "It's just not fair to have to come back to court on top of all of it just to hear me say I'm sorry. It's just not fair."

    Kimberly Sposit refused to look at Sinclair as he spoke. One of her sons briefly held up his middle finger before one of his brothers pushed it away.

    Sinclair also apologized to his own family.

    Corrigan noted that, if Sinclair had no intention of causing any harm, he could have unloaded the gun before the robberies or taken an airsoft pistol into the stores.

    "We wouldn't be having this discussion here today if that were the case," Corrigan said.

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