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    As far as I am concerned, at 15 or 16 everyone knows right from wrong, and if someone that age commits a murder, they should be tried as an adult and receive the same punishment as an adult.

    Sure paying for sex with a minor is disgusting. But that guy was still a human being, he still has the same right to not be murdered as anyone. Every single human being has the exact same right not to be murdered, from the day they are born til the day they die. Children have this right just the same as adults do, and criminals have it as much as people who have never even had a traffic ticket. This is an undisputable fact in the law, as well as morally.

    You think not every murder is the same? Maybe so, but every murder is a murder. You wanna weigh certain murders against one another and decide some deserve death, some deserve life in prison, and in others the killer should walk free? I guess that's your prison, but that mindset is the reason why we only have 20 something executions a year and 30 something death sentences. People with this kind of thinking are the reason why we have court rulings like Furman, Atkins, Hurst, etc. It is also the reason why mass murderers and rapist-murderers are getting lighter sentences.

    So in short, you have a right to that opinion. But the next time someone like Brian Golsby is spared a death sentence, instead of getting mad at the jurors, you need to take a long, hard look in the mirror.

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    Well I guess you're not happy about this then.

    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/22/58783...victs-in-limbo
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    All of them won't stay wise longtime , to live in society today ,it is an hard work. If they don't have the will, they will be back to jail soon or late.
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    Quote Originally Posted by one_two_bomb View Post
    Sure paying for sex with a minor is disgusting. But that guy was still a human being, he still has the same right to not be murdered as anyone. Every single human being has the exact same right not to be murdered, from the day they are born til the day they die. Children have this right just the same as adults do, and criminals have it as much as people who have never even had a traffic ticket. This is an undisputable fact in the law, as well as morally.
    I have to disagree with the "everybody has the same right not to be murdered" thing. By that logic, execution is immoral. The only difference between murder and execution is that one is lawful, and the one being killed absolutely deserves it in the latter.

    There are plenty of cases to contradict the points raised. Jeffrey Dahmer deserved to be murdered in prison. Or the case of Gary Plouche killing Jeffrey Doucet for molesting his kid. Morally permissible, albeit not legally. Or lastly, I'd have a lot less pity for someone killed in a drug deal than someone killed by an armed robber at work.

    Not all murders are the same, and neither are all murder victims. I don't disagree with everything you said, but I had to make this point.
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    I am going to challenge your thinking a little.

    I have to disagree with the "everybody has the same right not to be murdered" thing.
    Impossible to disagree with. If it was worded, "some people do/do not deserve to be murdered," that could be argued as a matter of opinion. But under the law, everyone does have the same right not to be murdered. I could go out and murder anyone, and no matter who it is, I can face the same murder charge.

    The only difference between murder and execution is that one is lawful
    But that is the difference, precisely.

    Jeffrey Dahmer deserved to be murdered in prison.
    That is the one exception I would make. I believe murderers should be stripped of the title "human being," and unlawfully killing them should be treated as a property crime.

    Or the case of Gary Plouche killing Jeffrey Doucet for molesting his kid. Morally permissible, albeit not legally. Or lastly, I'd have a lot less pity for someone killed in a drug deal than someone killed by an armed robber at work.
    While we lack sympathy for many murder victims, they still have the same right to not be murdered. I don't have sympathy for rapists or pedophiles, I don't care when they die. But they do have the same right under the law to not be murdered, and we should not be making exceptions for it being OK to murder people if they wronged you.

    If Gary Plouche had taken Jeffey Doucet's wallet after killing him, that would make it a capital murder. The exact same charges as the armed robber who killed someone at work: Robbery-murder. Do you think that would change people's perception of the overall situation? Of course not. So why should the motive matter at all, and why should it be considered when applying a sentence to a crime?

    James Reed was sentenced to death in California for murdering a man who raped his wife.

    What if we take it a step further and start arguing that people should get lighter sentences if they murder someone who wronged them in other ways? Peter Capote and Benjamin Young were just sentenced to death in Alabama for murdering a gang banger who stole their Xbox. Should they be given a reduced sentence because the victim wronged them, and another dead gangbanger is no real loss to society? Or should we just execute them because they are scumbag gangbangers themselves? Now we are arguing irrelevant facts. When it comes to murder, or any crime for that matter, the motive should not matter, and neither should the social status of the victim or perpetrator.

    Not all murders are the same, and neither are all murder victims.
    100% true, but every murder is a murder. And we should be punishing actions, not people.

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    Paroled murderer kills victim’s daughter near same crime scene 24 years later

    By Lee Brown
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    One of Arkansas’ most notorious murderers returned 24 years later to the scene of his crime this week, killed his victim’s daughter — and then drowned as he tried to flee cops, according to officials.

    Travis Santay Lewis was just 16 when he shot dead Sally Snowden McKay, 75, and her nephew, Lee Baker, 52, in Horseshoe Lake in 1996, getting sentenced to 28 1/2 years in prison after pleading guilty, according to the Memphis Commercial Appeal.

    The murders became infamous in local lore because the Snowdens were an influential family, and because Baker was a famed Memphis guitarist who had played for Big Star and frontman, Alex Chilton, the paper noted.

    Lewis was paroled in 2018 — and returned to the neighborhood Wednesday where he killed McKay’s daughter, Martha McKay, in a house just a few down from his original murder, said officials, who did not discuss the killer’s motive.

    Lewis was spotted still inside the historic Snowden House — used in the 1994 movie of John Grisham’s “The Client” by deputies who responded to an alarm going off, the reports say.

    The suspect “jumped from an upstairs window and ran to a vehicle that he drove across the yard” before he “jumped from the car and ran and jumped into the lake,” Crittenden County Sheriff Mike Allen said.

    “He was observed going under the water and never came back up,” Allen said. It was confirmed to be Lewis after officials used sonar equipment to trace his body and pull it from the lake.

    The body of McKay — who was in her 60s, according to the Commercial Appeal — was only found after deputies went back to the house following the chase, Allen said in his statement.

    Some neighbors told the paper that McKay had been stabbed, while others say she was bludgeoned with a hammer.

    Allen only said that McKay and Lewis were being “sent to the state medical examiners office for cause and manner of death.”

    https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/parole...4-years-later/
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