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    Having token execution has zero effect on polls. The Arizona AG just attempted that and he couldn’t even place third in a primary.
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    That's why DeSantis should program a weekly schedule and not just a few.

    How many Florida death row convicts have exhausted their appeals?
    Last edited by Steven AB; 08-18-2022 at 09:14 AM.
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    So you see the potential.
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    Frankly, I've never understood why DeSantis decided to stop signing death warrants after Dailey's. It would be interesting if someone from the media would ask him. He is maybe the most hardcore conservative in the entire Union, so this strange moratorium is quite out of charachter. By the way, before Dailey's fiasco, he signed two death warrants in a matter of months (Long and Bowles). It's like Dailey receving a stay somehow blocked him.

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    Florida didn't have a drug secrecy law until DeSantis signed it last May, and it came into force on July 1, 2022.

    It took time to pass it because it required a two-thirds majority in each house of the state legislature.
    Last edited by Steven AB; 08-18-2022 at 10:18 AM.
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    So we should expect death warrants from DeSantis in the upcoming months?

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    Difficult to know. Personally I am not trying to predict the future, but only suggesting what it should be.

    Remember how much publicity and outrage there was in 2017 over the Arkansas plan to execute eight convicts in 10 days.

    Imagine today a DeSantis plan to execute more than 100 in two or three years.

    It would be hard to find a better way to beat Trump at his game of causing mainstream media fury, which is why he won the 2016 primary and has a huge lead in 2024 primary polls.
    Last edited by Steven AB; 08-18-2022 at 10:15 AM.
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    On death penalty, DeSantis trails GOP rivals, predecessors and yes, even Charlie Crist

    By Caden DeLisa and Brian Burgess
    The Capitolist

    Since taking office in January 2019, Gov. Ron DeSantis has signed the death warrants of just three condemned prisoners in his first term, two of which have since been executed, while one death warrant is still pending. That total is the lowest of any Florida governor since Democrat Bob Graham, who presided over just a single execution in his first term. But it’s also three fewer than his Democratic gubernatorial opponent Charlie Crist, who presided over five executions as a Republican during his one term as governor.

    DeSantis, who presents himself as a ‘law and order’ leader, lags far behind his most recent Republican predecessors. By comparison, Jeb Bush presided over 16 executions in his first term, while Rick Scott oversaw 20 between 2011 and 2014. And, unlike Bob Graham, who in the late 1970’s had to wait for the first condemned prisoners to complete the legal appeals process before signing a death warrant, there are now hundreds of people on Florida’s death row awaiting execution, including 15 who have languished there for more than 40 years.

    Notably, one of DeSantis’s hypothetical 2024 GOP rivals, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, has presided over at least 55 executions during his terms in office.

    Explanations for DeSantis’s inaction on the death penalty remain elusive. While a series of legal flip-flops, high court rulings, and the special circumstances of some cases has made it significantly more difficult to identify cases that are “execution ready,” there are some cases that have exhausted appeals that could move forward. And even though DeSantis does have one death warrant still pending, at least one Florida governor, Rick Scott, didn’t always wait for one execution to be complete before signing another death warrant. Twice during his two terms as governor, Scott presided over executions just weeks apart.

    Still, a 2016 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, Hurst v. Florida presents a much different death row for DeSantis than for Scott. The ruling, handed down while Scott was still governor, threw Florida’s death row into chaos when the court voted 8-1 to find Florida’s death sentence scheme in violation of the 6th Amendment, which guarantees the right to trial by jury.

    “The Sixth Amendment requires a jury, not a judge, to find each fact necessary to impose a sentence of death,” wrote Justice Sonia Sotomayor for the majority. The ruling ultimately invalidated the death sentences of more than 100 condemned prisoners on Florida’s death row, requiring each of them to go through a new sentencing phase.

    After the ruling, Scott waited more than a year to sort the legal situation out before resuming executions on his watch, and the pace of executions also slowed. Over the last two years of his final term, Scott presided over just five executions.

    In the meantime, some of the cases impacted by the ruling – all of them non-unanimous jury recommendations of death after 2002 – have worked their way through the system once more. Several of those cases have resulted in new death sentences, but others, including convicted murderer Timothy Hurst, whose case resulted in the ruling, have since been given lesser sentences after prosecutors failed to secure unanimous sentence recommendations from a jury.

    Meanwhile, still other condemned prisoners are waiting for newly-granted DNA tests on crime scene evidence. The technology wasn’t available at the time of trial, but defense attorneys and sympathetic prosecutors and courts have aggressively pushed for and allowed the tests, throwing numerous death row cases into a holding pattern while labs carry out the tests.

    Even so, that still leaves a number of condemned prisoners – and the families of their victims – waiting on justice. But that requires Florida’s governor to sign a death warrant.

    DeSantis may have other valid legal explanations for his ongoing inaction, but if so, he isn’t talking about it. His campaign referred all inquiries on the matter to the Executive Office of the Governor, where after 24 hours, spokesman Bryan Griffin finally said that he wouldn’t be able to provide a response to The Capitolist before a Thursday morning publication deadline.

    Personal reasons could also be a factor in DeSantis’s decision not to aggressively pursue executions. As governor, the Florida Constitution gives him sole discretion to decide when, or even if, to sign a death warrant. And as a pro-life Catholic, DeSantis may harbor doubts about the morality of capital punishment. Regardless of the reasons, his inaction could leave him open to criticism for being soft on violent criminals and insensitive to the families of the convicted murders’ victims.

    DeSantis’s general election opponent, Crist, can, at least in theory, claim he’s done more for violent crime victims than DeSantis. In fact, at one time, Crist recognized the importance of making sure voters knew he was “tough on crime.” In the mid-1990’s, he earned notoriety as “Chain Gang Charlie” for pushing the idea of implementing chain gangs in Florida. He even related a boyhood story about watching a mostly-black Alabama prison chain gang, shackled and working in the hot sun.

    “I see justice,” Crist is quoted in the Palm Beach Post, talking about the men in working in shackles, chained together.

    Last year, Crist was asked by a reporter if he supported the death penalty for someone like Parkland shooter Nicholas Cruz, who pleaded guilty to 17 murders at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. Crist said he would support capital punishment in cases that could be considered egregious, also stating that he would be against the abolishment of the death penalty from Florida’s judicial system.

    “In cases like these, I believe the death penalty is an appropriate punishment. But I don’t take that position lightly,” Crist said at the time. “As Governor, one of the toughest parts of the job was signing a death warrant. It is a punishment that should be used sparingly, reserved for the most heinous crimes.”

    Today, though, like DeSantis, Crist doesn’t have much to say about his death penalty record. Multiple requests for comment for this story went unanswered.

    https://thecapitolist.com/on-death-p...charlie-crist/
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    Florida didn't have a drug secrecy law until DeSantis signed it last May, and it came into force on July 1, 2022. It took time to pass it because it required a two-thirds majority in each house of the state legislature.

    Remember how much publicity and outrage there was in 2017 over the Arkansas plan to execute eight convicts in 10 days.

    Imagine today a DeSantis plan to execute more than 100 in two or three years, at the pace of one per week.

    It would be hard to find a better way to beat Trump at his game of causing mainstream media fury, which is why he won the 2016 primary and why he leads the 2024 primary polls.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_R...onwide_polling

    The relocation of illegals was also a great move, but maybe not enough to surpass Trump.

    DeSantis could do better by unambiguously pledging to abolish jus soli by executive order or statute.

    Remember also how Rick Perry was applauded during a 2011 Republican presidential primary debate when his 234 executions were mentioned.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcVGzqwfx7k

    Even Mitt Romney looked at him with admiration.

    And that even though this record spread over 10 years, and Perry didn’t have to sign the warrants himself as in Florida.

    http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/...998#post139998

    With such a public, nobody should have been surprised by Trump later nomination and election. Only the omnipresence and deceptiveness of the politically-correct narrative made it a gladful surprise. Even more since it caused a reshape of the U.S. Supreme Court, that will continue to have consequences for the rest of our lives.

    As William Barr did in 2019-2020, DeSantis should overtly begin with child murderers. Them alone will take weeks before continuing with others.

    We can be confident that even foreign medias will cover the matter and seize the opportunity to talk about DeSantis other policies and presidential ambition or candidacy.

    There is a 32-year age gap between DeSantis and Trump, so even if the former didn’t run or win in 2024, his execution record will decisively help him for the subsequent presidential primaries, to which Trump will not candidate, but that will nevertheless be highly competitive, even more two years after the end of his governorship. Indeed, in such a case he would have two more years as governor to clear the backlog.
    Last edited by Steven AB; 01-28-2023 at 11:00 AM.
    "If ever there were a case for a referendum, this is one on which the people should be allowed to express their own views and not irresponsible votes in the House of Commons." — Winston Churchill, on the death penalty

    The self-styled "Death Penalty Information Center" is financed by the oligarchic European Union. — The Daily Signal

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