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Thread: Robert Moreno Ramos - Texas Execution - November 14, 2018

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    His claims have been raised before, and rejected. And more importantly, SCOTUS denied cert after they decided Moore. I don't see these claims working for him.

    On a side note, Ramos will get the distinction of being the oldest foreign national and the oldest Hispanic executed if this goes forward.
    Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products.

    "They will hurt you. They will hurt your grandma, these people. The root cause of this is there's no discipline in the homes, they don't go to school, you know, they live off the government, no personal accountability, and they just beat people up for no reason, and it's disgusting." - Former Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters

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    @Aaron, Ruben Cardenas in November 2017 was no exception. Even so that Mexico threatened that executing Cardenas would have serious consequences between Mexico and the United States, nothing come about of it. Texas will execute anyone within their means no matter what multicultural background.

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    The consular rights claims always get denied. That's not an issue. But I can't remember the last time someone claimed mental competency issues that did not get a stay from the TCCA, at least temporarily.

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    Adam Ward and Coy Wesbrook didn't get stays. Anthony Shore claimed brain damage and was denied.
    Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products.

    "They will hurt you. They will hurt your grandma, these people. The root cause of this is there's no discipline in the homes, they don't go to school, you know, they live off the government, no personal accountability, and they just beat people up for no reason, and it's disgusting." - Former Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters

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    Two Articles from 1993 on the trial.

    February 25, 1993

    Lawyer: Ramos killed to marry

    By WARD TISDALE
    The Monitor

    EDINBURG -- Capital murder defendant Robert Ramos allegedly killed his wife and two children to fulfill a promise to marry a Brownsville woman he wed three days after the family was murdered, a Hidalgo County prosecutor said Wednesday.

    A former sheriff's investigator, who took Ramos, 38, to the Hidalgo County jail the day the bodies were discovered, testified that Ramos was concerned his family would be "mutilated" by shovels used in unearthing their bodies.

    "I asked him why, and he said they weren't mutilated when he buried them," said Eloy Colbath, a private investigator who was a criminal investigator when Ramos was charged with the killings April 7.
    After nearly six weeks of jury selection, testimony in the capital murder trial began Wednesday.

    Ramos is accused of beating to death his wife, Leticia, 42; his daughter,Abigail, 7; and son, Jonathan, 3, in February 1992. Sheriff's deputies found them buried beneath the bathroom floor of the family's Progreso home on April 7, 1992.

    In opening arguments Wednesday, prosecutor Leticia Lopez said Ramos promised to marry Marisa Robledo, who was unaware that he was married and had a family.

    "But there were three obstacles," Lopez said, "Leticia, Abigail and Jonathan."

    "This man is a selfish man," Lopez said. "He wanted one thing -- that was to marry Marisa Robledo. But he had to do away with the family he had."

    Defense attorneys did not make an opening argument Wednesday. They will do so after the state presents its case.

    Lopez said Ramos met Robledo in November 1991 in Austin, where he worked briefly caring for a disabled man while his family remained in Progreso.

    He introduced her to his son, Osmar, 19, who lives in Austin, as a friend, not his child, Lopez said.

    She said Ramos followed Robledo when she returned to Brownsville the next month, and that the two made plans to get married on Feb. 10.

    "On Feb. 7, he came back to Progreso and murdered (his family)," Lopez said.

    Three days later, Ramos and Robledo were married. She is expected to testify in the trial.

    Ramos was arrested on March 30, 1992, for traffic violations. He had been questioned by the Weslaco Police Department, responding to concerns by Leticia Ramos' family about her.

    Testimony was to resume this afternoon in 93rdstate District Court.

    https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ne...d99f64384.html

    March 3, 1993

    Ramos allegedly admitted killing wife with hammer

    By PANFILO GARCIA
    The Monitor

    EDINBURG -- Hidalgo County sheriff's investigator John Montemayor testified Tuesday that Robert Moreno Ramos admitted killing his wife with a hammer.

    He said he did it after coming home to find that his two children had been killed.

    Montemayor said that on April 8, 1992, as Ramos was being driven to the county jail after being arraigned on capital murder charges, "he said, `I want to help you all.' He said, `I killed my wife,' " Montemayor testified.

    Montemayor said Ramos told him that he came home to find his children Jonathan, 3, and Abigail, 7, dead in the house, and that his wife, Leticia, 42, had around her neck a rope that was tied to a bedpost.

    Ramos, 38, told Montemayor his wife was still alive, and that he killed herwith a hammer, Montemayor said.

    He said the confession came one day after investigators unearthed the remains of the woman and two children. Investigators say Ramos confessed to burying the three beneath the family's Progreso home.

    Ramos gave Montemayor a diagram of how the bodies were buried, Montemayor said.

    "We immediately started breaking the concrete and the tile," he said.

    There was a 3-inch layer of concrete, he said, and the bodies were buried about 3 feet below the floor level.

    Montemayor, holding graphic photos of the bodies, pointed out to jurors the wounds on the victims' heads.

    At first, Montemayor said, Ramos told him that his family was being investigated for welfare fraud. Ramos said he was hiding them in Jalisco,Mexico.

    "Robert kept saying that they're somewhere where nobody will even find them," Montemayor said.

    He said Ramos confessed after Montemayor told him that tests conducted by Texas Department of Public Safety crime lab specialists showed traces of blood in two bedrooms, two hallways and the bathroom of the house.

    Montemayor said a large blood stain was found on one bedroom floor.

    Testimony resumed this morning in Judge Fernando Mancias' 93rd state DistrictCourt.

    https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/ne...db6765019.html

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    Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next products.

    "They will hurt you. They will hurt your grandma, these people. The root cause of this is there's no discipline in the homes, they don't go to school, you know, they live off the government, no personal accountability, and they just beat people up for no reason, and it's disgusting." - Former Hamilton County Prosecutor Joe Deters

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    This was a couple of years ago Aaron when The Texas Tribune uploaded alot of new photos of Texas' death row.

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    I’m legitimately curious as to what’s going on with that golfball of a lump on his forehead.
    Violence and death seem to be the only answers that some people understand.

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    It looks like he almost has three chins.

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    Has the TCCA ruled on this guy yet? They don’t usually wait until the week of the execution before ruling.
    Violence and death seem to be the only answers that some people understand.

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