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Thread: Which crimes should be punishable by the death penalty?

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    Which crimes should be punishable by the death penalty?

    We can have endless discussions about each aggravating factor and whether it should qualify to make a murder punishable by death.

    But there is something certain, it is that there are at least three factors that should always be in the statute:

    – Multiple murders, including previous convictions.

    – Murder involving rape or torture of the victim.

    – Murder of a child.

    What is shocking is that many death penalty-states lack one or more of these three factors, and at the same time provide other factors that are grave but less horrific, such as robbery-murder.

    Another nonsense is that several states provide some of these crimes but add a supplemental condition: Oregon requires a child murder to be premeditated, Texas requires two murders to bear some relation between them, etc.

    Texas also requires any convict to be a "future danger" to get the death penalty, which is also indefensible, since incapacitation is not the sole purpose of the death penalty. Deterrence and catharsis are legitimate public interests as well.
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    "If ever there were a case for a referendum, this is one on which the people should be allowed to express their own views and not irresponsible votes in the House of Commons." — Winston Churchill, on the death penalty

    The self-styled "Death Penalty Information Center" is financed by the oligarchic European Union. — The Daily Signal

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    I'd put treason and espionage at the top of the list. My poster-boys for the death penalty are Aldrich Ames and Robert Hansen. When it comes to murder I'd look first at those in furtherance of a RICO violation, especially to get minnows to flip on the bigger fish. The rest I'm content to see die in prison on a date of the Lord's choosing, not the state's.
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    I’d say if there’s any chance they will kill again. Decades ago Texas, Virginia, Tennessee and several other states didn’t have LWOP. Sometimes the death penalty is the only choice for people like the Briley Brothers, Kenneth McDuff, Clarence Allen and Ted Bundy
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    I'm going all in here. I don't care about feeble western opinions here.

    Alabama Statue on Murder

    Rape, Child Molestation, Pedophilia; Drug Trafficking; Terrorism; Incestuous Relations; Adultery; Producing and Publishing pornography; Using pornographic materials to solicit sex; false accusation of capital offenses causing execution of an innocent person; certain military offenses (e. g., cowardice, assisting the enemy); Espionage; and Treason.
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    Destroy age restrictions too bring it back to at least the pre Roper era. The Texas shooter from I believe the year was 2018 should’ve been on Death Row.

    He’s no different from Nikolas Cruz or Nathan Dunlap. Ironically, both of their crimes took place the same year. Cruz is eligible to die because he’s an actual adult. However, Rodriguez isn’t because he was 17 at the time.


    Preferably, I would love to go back to the 80s. I think that’s when the first age restricted death penalty case was decided. 14 and up should be the normal age to be executed. If your legal enough to consent at that age then you should be legal to be executed at that age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schmutz View Post
    I'd put treason and espionage at the top of the list... When it comes to murder I'd look first at those in furtherance of a RICO violation, especially to get minnows to flip on the bigger fish. The rest I'm content to see die in prison on a date of the Lord's choosing, not the state's.
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    I’d say if there’s any chance they will kill again. Decades ago Texas, Virginia, Tennessee and several other states didn’t have LWOP...
    Justice Scalia once said that the government derives its authority from God.

    Take Mark Dean Schwab, among many examples.

    That’s true he was not a traitor, he was not a mafioso, and he might have been unable to re-offend in jail.

    But he kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered an 11-year-old boy so, yes, life in jail would have been quite lenient for him, and he deserved to die by decision of his human peers.
    Last edited by Steven AB; 03-14-2021 at 10:27 AM.
    "If ever there were a case for a referendum, this is one on which the people should be allowed to express their own views and not irresponsible votes in the House of Commons." — Winston Churchill, on the death penalty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven AB View Post
    Justice Scalia once said that the government derives its authority from God.

    Take Mark Dean Schwab, among many examples.

    That’s true he was not a traitor, he was not a mafioso, and he might have been unable to re-offend in jail.

    But he kidnapped, raped, tortured and murdered an 11-year-old boy so, yes, life in jail would have been quite lenient for him, and he deserved to die by decision of his human peers.
    Death is fine for someone like him, but if it is three-o-clock on a Friday and there is still a holdout I'm not screwing up my weekend.

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    The previous comment is quite cryptic. Do you believe you can hypnotize us with this?

    (And please, do not use "reply with quote" to quote in its entirety a post that directly precedes your own.

    http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/...l=1#post127543)
    "If ever there were a case for a referendum, this is one on which the people should be allowed to express their own views and not irresponsible votes in the House of Commons." — Winston Churchill, on the death penalty

    The self-styled "Death Penalty Information Center" is financed by the oligarchic European Union. — The Daily Signal

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    I just want age restrictions lowered again I don’t know why you can’t be executed for crimes that were heinous like what Rodriguez did because he was a year younger but Cruz is facing the Death Penalty? 14 and up and is what I’d like it to be but 16 is fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven AB View Post
    The previous comment is quite cryptic. Do you believe you can hypnotize us with this?

    (And please, do not use "reply with quote" to quote in its entirety a post that directly precedes your own.

    http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/...l=1#post127543)
    In terms comprehensible to those with an Atkins claim, it is that whether or not someone like that gets death or LWOP is so insignificant to me that as a juror I would go with whatever verdict gets me out of there in time for happy hour.

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