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    One More Cowardly Moratorium

    Posted by Kent Scheidegger

    Jonathan Lee Gentry was convicted in 1991 of the murder of 12-year-old Cassie Holden in Bremerton, Washington. He bashed her head in with a rock. The circumstances suggested sexual assault, although the autopsy could not conclusively confirm that. The State of Washington has spent the years since defending the judgment against Gentry's numerous attacks. In the Ninth Circuit, even Judge Paez, who almost never votes to affirm a capital sentence, concurred that his claims had no merit. The "normal" appeals ended with the Supreme Court's denial of certiorari last October. The Washington Supreme Court subsequently denied yet another petition last month.

    Now comes Washington Governor Jay Inslee, announcing he will impose a moratorium, granting reprieves so that no one is executed while he is governor. He conveniently omitted any mention of an intent to would do that while campaigning for the office, so as to allow the people of Washington to decide if they wanted a governor who would clear-cut justice in this manner. (Campaign website here.) The election was reasonably close at 51.5 - 48.5, so it is quite possible he would not be governor if he had announced his intentions in advance of the election, which, of course, is precisely why he did not. If anyone reading believes that he has had a change of heart based on recent study and soul-searching, I would like to sell you a bridge. This action is one more in a series of Profiles in Cowardice that we have seen in multiple states. Get elected first, then drop the bomb.

    Inslee's claimed reasons for this action are here. Let's see if a single one actually supports failure to carry out Gentry's thoroughly deserved and thoroughly reviewed punishment.

    First, the practical reality is that those convicted of capital offenses are, in fact, rarely executed. Since 1981, the year our current capital laws were put in place, 32 defendants have been sentenced to die. Of those, 19, or 60%, had their sentences overturned. One man was set free and 18 had their sentences converted to life in prison.

    That is absolutely no reason not to carry out this sentence. The number one reason for high reversal rates in the early days of capital punishment was that the rules were constantly changing and sentences imposed after trials conducted correctly according to the law at the time of the trial were overturned ex post facto. That deplorable situation, largely behind us now, raises no doubt that Gentry's sentence is deserved and justly imposed.

    Second, the costs associated with prosecuting a capital case far outweigh the price of locking someone up for life without the possibility of parole.

    That has nothing to do with the Gentry case, where those costs have already been incurred. Capital cases do indeed cost too much, but they do not need to cost more than a life imprisonment case. A real leader would be leading the charge for the needed reforms.

    Third, death sentences are neither swift nor certain. Seven of the nine men on death row committed their crimes more than 15 years ago, including one from 26 years ago. While they sit on death row and pursue appeal after appeal, the families of their victims must constantly revisit their grief at the additional court proceedings.

    That is downright bizarre. Inslee's order is an order for more delay. He cites excessive delay as a reason? Lead, damn it, and push for reforms to fix the delay. Do not denounce delay and then cause more of it.

    Fourth, there is no credible evidence that the death penalty is a deterrent to murder. That's according to work done by the National Academy of Sciences, among other groups.

    The individuals who co-authored the report concluded that, in their opinion, the evidence on the whole was "not informative." However, the report says right up front, "Any opinions, findings, conclusions, or recommendations expressed in this publication are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the views of the organizations or agencies that provided support for the project." (We don't even know if the report reflects the views of James Q. Wilson, listed as a co-author, as he died before the report was final.)

    This is a subject of continuing hot dispute among experts. Reasonable people can differ as to how convincing the evidence is, but to say there is no credible evidence is wrong.

    In any event, even if one believes that the execution of Gentry would not deter, that is not a reason to fail to follow through with a just, deserved punishment for a horrible crime. Justice is its own justification and does not depend on deterrent effect.

    And finally, our death penalty is not always applied to the most heinous offenders.

    That is no reason. For any penalty we choose to impose, some people will escape it. Some criminals are never caught. Some escape outside our grasp. Some succeed in having essential evidence suppressed. Do we open the doors and let them all out in response? No, of course not.

    If others who deserve the death penalty are not getting it, let us adopt reforms to have it imposed more consistently. That is no reason to refrain from carrying out deserved judgments.

    Of the reasons given, not a single one holds water.

    http://www.crimeandconsequences.com/...oratorium.html

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    Former Gov. Lowry recalls hard decision to allow execution

    In issuing a blanket suspension of executions during his term, Gov. Jay Inslee on Tuesday shielded himself from a future run-in with one of the toughest decisions his job can produce.

    Just ask former Gov. Mike Lowry.

    Lowry, a liberal Democrat and fierce death-penalty foe, faced the question of giving clemency in a 1994 case that forced him to balance his philosophical views with the realities of a brutal case. Eventually, he allowed triple-murderer Charles Campbell to be hanged.

    On Tuesday, he said it was “in some ways the most difficult thing I did as governor.”

    “It’s not a decision that a human should really have to make,” he said. “I really think that it’s a question that falls beyond what I consider is our ability as human beings to really comprehend.”

    In the Campbell case, Lowry said, he felt comfortable letting the execution go forward only after meeting with families of the victims and the condemned, and the killer himself.

    The case represented the very definition of a heinous crime: Campbell, sent to prison for raping a Snohomish County woman at knife point in front of her infant daughter, got out of prison and slit the throats of the woman, the daughter and a neighbor who had testified against him.

    But Lowry said that did not play a large role in his decision.

    The deciding factor, he said, was that the conviction had survived repeated appeals over 12 years.

    “It had been through the extensive process — all of the reviews, all of the appeals,” Lowry said. “That made me choose to let it go ahead.”

    It was the only execution under Lowry’s watch.

    The former governor said he does not regret his decision, although it has weighed on him over the years.

    “When you look back at being governor, there were so many things that I really enjoyed,” Lowry said. “But when I look back, this is one that sticks with me.”

    Despite his views, Lowry said the idea of a moratorium on executions never crossed his mind. Maybe it should have, he said.

    He applauded Inslee’s move.

    “What he’s doing is establishing a policy. He’s not taking these individual cases up when there’s an execution date,” Lowry said. “I think that’s a very good way to govern.”

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    “What he’s doing is establishing a policy. He’s not taking these individual cases up when there’s an execution date,” Lowry said. “I think that’s a very good way to govern.”
    I think the best way to govern is put it to the people. Let the citizens decide if capital punishment is appropriate in their state.
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    I agree. Of course, the antis know full well that if the death penalty comes up for a referendum, most states' citizens (including those from usually liberal states such as California and New York) will vote in favor of capital punishment. That's why individual governors who are antis move on the sly by unilaterally cleaning out death rows wholesale via blanket commutation or by declaring "moratoriums" in order to "study" the issue and then babble some nonsense about "having a national conversation"-- a conversation in which only one side is doing the talking, naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
    I think the best way to govern is put it to the people. Let the citizens decide if capital punishment is appropriate in their state.
    Exactly...their democratically elected and they are supposed to work for the people not push their own agenda. Canada same thing...they need to let the people decide whether Capital punishment is the appropriate punishment for some murderers.
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    Whatcom County prosecutor opposes governor's ban on death penalty

    You can count Whatcom County Prosecutor Dave McEachran among opponents to a ban on the death penalty announced this week by Gov. Jay Inslee.

    The moratorium means Bellingham murderer Clark Richard Elmore, one of nine men on death row in Washington, won't be executed while Inslee remains in office — upending a case McEachran has pursued for 18 years.

    Elmore, then 43, raped and murdered his 14-year-old stepdaughter, Kristy Lynn Ohnstad, in 1995. (Details from that case can be found here. Warning: Extremely graphic.)

    Elmore pleaded guilty, a move seen in most cases as a bargaining chip to get a lighter sentence. But McEachran argued for the death penalty "because of the enormity of what had gone on," he said this week. "That really was the most horrible (crime) I'd ever seen, and I think our investigators had ever seen."

    Judge David Nichols — who recently penned this anti-death penalty editorial for the Seattle Times — sentenced Elmore to death in 2006. The ruling came after objections from activists and the victim's mother, who said: "Death is too good for him. ... He should get life without parole and suffer every day, like everyone else he's left behind."

    Since then Elmore has made several last-gasp appeals — with one still active in the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals — to have his death sentence overturned.

    Inslee opened his statements Tuesday, Feb. 11, by saying he'd come to his decision after speaking with "law enforcement officers, prosecutors, former directors of the Department of Corrections, and the family members of the homicide victims."

    McEachran wasn't among those consulted, and the moratorium caught him off-guard. He suggested a push in the legislature, led by Inslee, would have been a more appropriate approach.

    "We were really quite surprised," the county prosecutor said. "I didn't understand that (halting executions) was an election priority of the governor when he ran."

    Eighteen years after Elmore's conviction, McEachran believes the execution is long overdue. Elmore has served the second-most time of the state's death row inmates.

    “This should take its course,” McEachran said. "That's what the court system is for. ... Every possible safeguard has already been built into it."

    In his speech this week, Inslee seemed inclined to disagree.

    "Let me acknowledge that there are many good protections built into Washington State’s death penalty law," Inslee said. "But there have been too many doubts raised about capital punishment. There are too many flaws in the system. And when the ultimate decision is death there is too much at stake to accept an imperfect system."

    Other prosecutors around the state have had a "mixed" reaction, according to the Associated Press.

    Dan Satterberg, the elected prosecutor in King County, which includes Seattle, said the moratorium "is likely to cause more delay, expense and uncertainty."

    "A moratorium alone will not resolve the issues raised by the governor," Satterberg said in a written statement. He said there should be an informed public debate before the state makes changes.

    Kitsap County Prosecutor Russell Hauge called the death penalty "an extremely ineffective tool."

    But he noted that the moratorium didn't change state law, which obligates county prosecutors to seek the death penalty when circumstances warrant.

    "The problem is," he said, "the law's still on the books."


    Twice in his career McEachran pursued the death penalty: In Elmore's case and, in the '80s, the infamous "Hillside Stranger" murders of Kenneth Bianchi. Bianchi is serving consecutive life sentences at the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla.

    http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014...r-opposes.html
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    Views split on fallout over Inslee’s death penalty moratorium

    To picture how political foes may seek to use Gov. Jay Inslee’s death-penalty moratorium against him, look back at one of the last television ads of the 2012 state attorney general’s race:

    Horror music twinkles as a sepia-toned photo of “Democrat Bob Ferguson” appears alongside a “Cop Killer,” Ronald Turney Williams. A Snohomish County sheriff’s deputy expresses outrage that Ferguson once wrote a legal brief for the death-row inmate. A boy in a green shirt swings on a playset before disappearing into the words “Keep Our Families Safe: Defeat Bob Ferguson.”

    The national Republican State Leadership Committee spent $2.9 million on the commercial and two similar ads aimed at defeating Ferguson and promoting fellow Metropolitan King County Councilmember Reagan Dunn.

    Dunn is still on the council. Ferguson is the attorney general.

    While no public pollster has recently taken the pulse of Washington state on the death penalty, several local scholars and strategists said Ferguson’s victory is among multiple pieces of evidence that Inslee’s decision is unlikely to haunt him in the future.

    The insiders also cited the experiences of other governors, including Oregon’s, and noted that while capital punishment is still popular, its support is declining.

    Thirty-two states have the death penalty, but six have abolished it in the past six years, giving legitimacy to foes of a policy long seen as unquestionably popular.

    The analysts mostly did not suggest Inslee would benefit from the moratorium, just that it wouldn’t hurt him.

    “I don’t think it’ll have huge ramifications in his bid for re-election down the road,” said Matt Barreto, a prominent University of Washington professor who runs the Washington Poll. “It’s just not a mobilizing issue.”

    Republicans disagreed, arguing the moratorium could become a liability for Inslee. They provided internal polling showing the death penalty is popular in Washington.

    A 2011 poll commissioned by Dunn’s campaign from Moore Information, for example, showed 63 percent of state residents supported the death penalty while only 25 percent opposed it.

    The poll of 400 registered voters had a margin of error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

    Some conservative lawmakers vowed last week to fight the moratorium. Some prosecutors criticized it. Some newspapers, including The Columbian in Vancouver, editorialized against Inslee’s decision, although others praised it. The Seattle Times editorial board on Sunday called for abolishing capital punishment.

    “I think the governor’s action has already proven to be politically foolish,” said Susan Hutchison, chairwoman of the Washington State Republican Party. “It’s executive overreach, and that is proving to be very unpopular among Americans in regard to President Obama. This is the same thing.”

    Whether Republicans run ads on the issue if Inslee seeks re-election will depend on the candidate that runs in 2016, Hutchison said.

    Inslee spokesman David Postman said political considerations did not factor into the governor’s decision, which was announced at a news conference last Tuesday and surprised many in the Capitol.

    Inslee, a Democrat, had previously supported the death penalty, although he hadn’t recently talked about it, or had been asked.

    In announcing he would not allow anybody to be executed while he’s in office, but not commuting any death sentences or proposing any legislation, Inslee said he was taking “a relatively restrained” step.

    Still, Postman said, “there was a recognition that there would be some people who would be unhappy with this decision.”

    Issue emerged

    The attacks in the Ferguson-Dunn race marked the first time in recent years that the death penalty emerged as a major political issue in Washington state.

    That may be because of the scant number of executions here — just five since 1963. Nine men are currently on death row.

    Dunn supporters chose the issue because Ferguson had helped Williams two decades previously, when Ferguson was a second-year law student working under a grant from the Arizona Capital Representation Project.

    During the campaign, Ferguson said he opposed the death penalty but that as attorney general would defend the state’s right to impose capital punishment.

    Dunn emphasized last week that he did not work with the Republican State Leadership Committee, a Karl Rove-funded group.

    But he said the ads were effective.

    “It moved the ball forward,” Dunn said. “And it closed our poll numbers.”

    Dunn did tighten his deficit in public polls after the ads ran, closing within 2 percentage points in two October 2012 surveys after trailing by 8 and 13 in them the month before.

    But he ultimately lost by 7 points, 46.5 percent to 53.5 percent — one of the larger losing margins among the high-profile statewide races that year.

    “That result speaks for itself,” said Ferguson, although he declined to comment on how the death penalty might play in other races.

    Officials with both of the 2012 gubernatorial campaigns, for Inslee and Republican Rob McKenna, said they did not consider the death penalty as a campaign issue or conduct any extensive polling on it.

    Sterling Clifford, who served as Inslee’s communications director, said the campaign didn’t even discuss it.

    McKenna campaign manager Randy Pepple said he was focused on other issues, primarily education. The death penalty was not seen as a big issue to a ton of people, he said. “I don’t think this will be a top-tier issue in 2016,” Pepple added.

    Comparison

    Over the past few days, Inslee’s decision has been compared to former Illinois Republican Gov. George Ryan’s nationally watched moratorium in 2000.

    Ryan did not seek re-election, but probably not because of his death-penalty stance.

    Several of his former employees were indicted while he was in office, and he eventually was convicted of corruption.

    A Chicago Tribune poll conducted during the scandal showed Ryan had an approval rating of just 32 percent. But two-thirds of those surveyed supported the moratorium.

    A more relevant comparison may be found closer: In late 2011, Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber announced he would not allow any more executions while he was in office.

    Like Inslee, Kitzhaber called for a broad conversation. A state representative introduced a constitutional amendment to outlaw capital punishment.

    Then, said Salem Statesman Journal Editorial Page Editor Dick Hughes, nothing happened. “The issue is just sitting there,” he said, noting the amendment never got support in the Legislature.

    Kitzhaber is seeking re-election this year. But Hughes said the death penalty is a “very minor issue.”

    “The much more major issue is that Cover Oregon, our health-care website, is a disaster,” he said.

    Few governors have been hurt by suspending the death penalty, said Richard Dieter, executive director of anti-capital punishment Death Penalty Information Center.

    Dieter acknowledged an example of a politician being hit for being soft on crime — 1988 Democratic Party presidential nominee Michael Dukakis, who lost to George H.W. Bush after facing an attack ad about William “Willie” Horton, who had raped a woman while on a furlough from jail. Dukakis had vetoed a bill to end the furloughs for first-degree murderers.

    But Dieter said others have gained support from opposing the death penalty, in part because voters respect a politician who takes a stand.

    “People respect the position even if they disagree with it,” Dieter said.

    Support falls

    Nationwide, support for the death penalty has been falling since 1994, according to an annual poll by Gallup, Inc.

    Support was at 80 percent that year, according to the poll. Last year, it was at 60 percent — the lowest since 1972.

    Several local analysts said they didn’t know of any local polling in Washington state.

    Stuart Elway, who runs the state Elway Poll, said he hasn’t included the death penalty in his polls because it hasn’t been a big issue.

    “I think I will now,” Elway said.

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    Report: Race factors when jurors impose execution

    By GENE JOHNSON
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    SEATTLE — Two years ago, when Washington's Supreme Court was reviewing the death sentence assigned to a black man accused of raping and murdering a 65-year-old woman, Justice Charles Wiggins found himself troubled by numbers.

    Juries in the state were more likely to sentence African Americans, Wiggins noted; they did so in 62 percent of cases involving black defendants versus 40 percent for white defendants. In a dissenting opinion, the justice suggested further study was needed to determine whether the trend was statistically significant.

    A new report from a University of Washington sociologist aims to answer the question. It finds that while prosecutors have actually been slightly more likely to seek the death penalty against white defendants, jurors have been three times more likely to impose it against black ones, other circumstances being similar.

    Expense, differences in application by county, and the high rate of overturned death sentences — rather than racial disparities — were the main reasons Gov. Jay Inslee cited this month when he announced a moratorium on executions under his watch. But if true, the report's findings echo his worry that capital punsihment is "unequally applied," even in Washington, a state many consider to have the nation's most restrictive death-penalty system.

    "It's positive to see that prosecutors aren't unfairly considering race in making decisions about when to seek capital punishment," Inslee's general counsel, Nicholas Brown, said after reviewing the report. "At the same time, it brings up a lot of unfortunate implications about juries."

    Tom McBride, executive secretary of the Washington Association of Prosecuting Attorneys, said he has long known that prosecutors here aren't more likely to seek execution against black defendants. But the association was less quick to accept the report's findings on what effect a defendant's race has on jurors, saying the study failed to control for some key factors that could help explain why some defendants received a death sentence while others didn't.

    The report, by Professor Katherine Beckett, was commissioned by Lila Silverstein and Neil Fox, attorneys for death row inmate Allen Eugene Gregory, a black man convicted of raping and murdering a white woman in Pierce County in 1996. Silverstein and Fox plan to submit the report to the high court as part of Gregory's appeal next month.

    Washington has executed five defendants under its modern death penalty law, adopted in 1981, and nine are on death row. Beckett reviewed the 285 cases involving adult defendants convicted of aggravated murder since 1981 for which trial reports are available. In 88 of those cases, the death penalty was sought, and in 35 of those, it was imposed. Many later had the sentences overturned.

    Using the admittedly small sample size, Beckett's team coded the cases for number of victims, number of prior violent convictions, number of defenses offered and number of aggravating factors alleged by prosecutors, and other circumstances. In a regression analysis, she found that among similarly situated defendants, blacks were three times more likely than whites to be sentenced to death.

    "Washington is not a state that tolerates discrimination, even when it doesn't involve a matter of life and death," Silverstein said. "We can't be putting people to death based on their race."

    But Pam Loginsky, a staff attorney at the prosecutor's association, said Beckett's report doesn't prove that's what's happening and that it's impossible to say why a single juror in any case might decide to block the death penalty. Under Washington law, a unanimous jury is needed to impose the death penalty; if there's a single holdout, the sentence will be the only other alternative — life without the possibility of release.

    "I don't believe there is any conscious consideration of race, and I don't believe the statistics bear out any impropriety based on race," she said. "I can't tell you that an individual juror in a given case doesn't decide to extend mercy to the defendant because of his race, or because he has a cute smile, or because he resembles her favorite uncle. There can be any reason why a particular juror says, this person merits leniency."

    Loginsky pointed to what she described as several shortcomings with the study, noting that it did not control for factors that might well influence a jury's determination. Those include the strength of a prosecutor's case, the vulnerability of the victim, any mental illness of the defendant, and the nature of a defendant's criminal record: "It lumps prior murderers in with prior robbers," she wrote in an emailed critique.

    Washington's Supreme Court, which is charged with ensuring that capital punishment is administered proportionally, has previously said that "a review of the first-degree aggravated murder cases in Washington does not reveal a pattern of imposition of the death penalty based upon the race of the defendant or the victim." But anti-death-penalty advocates are hoping to use momentum from Inslee's moratorium to push the Legislature to abolish the punishment entirely.

    Among the concerns the governor cited was the cost of capital cases and that whether prosecutors seek execution is "sometimes dependent on the budget of the county where the crime occurred."

    Beckett's report bears out those geographic distinctions, noting that some counties, such as Thurston, request the death penalty in as much as two-thirds of their aggravated murder cases, while Yakima County, for example, has not sought execution at all in its nine death-eligible cases since 1981.

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    Of course it is nowhere mentioned that all five executions were of white men.

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    Bill puts death penalty reprieve in spotlight

    By LISA BAUMANN - Associated Press (AP)

    OLYMPIA, Wash. (AP) — A Senate panel heard public testimony Wednesday on a measure that would prohibit any Washington governor from issuing a death penalty reprieve until after receiving a recommendation from the state Clemency and Pardons Board.

    Senate Bill 6566 was introduced after Gov. Jay Inslee said earlier this month that he is suspending the use of the death penalty in Washington for as long as he's in office.

    Republican Sen. Steve O'Ban sponsored the bill. He said Inslee committed an injustice by failing to consult with the families of victims and prosecutors before making his decision.

    "The families deserve to be heard," O'Ban said.

    Family members of some of those victims spoke at a news conference before testifying at the hearing before the Senate Law and Justice Committee.

    Sherry Shaver, the mother of murder victim Telisha Shaver, said she found the governor's announcement confusing.

    "It's been 18 years," she said, referring to the amount of time since her daughter's death. "How much longer to we have to wait for justice?"

    Dwayne A. Woods, the man convicted for the double murder of 22-year-old Telisha Shaver and 18-year-old Jade Moore in Spokane County, has been on death row since 1997.

    Leola Peden's daughter, Genie Harshfield, was killed in 1996. Allen Eugene Gregory was convicted of Harshfield's murder twice after the first case was overturned by the state Supreme Court.

    "Twenty-four people absolutely felt he deserved it," Peden said of the number of jurors who convicted Gregory. "Why is he still breathing?"

    Whatcom County Prosecutor David McEachran said he was surprised and disappointed by Inslee's moratorium. He spoke in favor of O'Ban's measure, saying having a board give the governor recommendations based on the input of all parties in death penalty cases would be helpful.

    Sandy Mullins, a senior policy adviser with Inslee's office, said she believes Inslee spoke with family members in the case of Johnathan Lee Gentry, who was found guilty of fatally bludgeoning 12-year-old Cassie Holden in 1988. She added that there's no requirement by law that the governor has to contact a victim's family members.

    Under the measure, the state Clemency and Pardons board would be required to give their recommendation for anyone sentenced to death after July 1. O'Ban's staff said it would not apply to those on death row at the time of Inslee's announcement.

    Former Washington state legislator and family member of a murder victim, Debbie Regala, spoke against the bill, calling it a distraction from a larger conversation about whether the state should have a death penalty.

    "This state needs to have a robust conversation about the use of the death penalty," she said. "We should take advantage of the opportunity Inslee has given us."

    If passed, a governor would be under no legal obligation to follow the recommendations from a state Clemency and Pardons board. O'Ban, who's a member of the Senate Law and Justice Committee, says he thinks there's sufficient support for the bill to pass out of committee.

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