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    Ex-Manson follower recommended for parole

    The state parole board approved the release Thursday of a former Charles Manson follower convicted of two 1969 murders, leaving his fate up to Gov. Jerry Brown.

    Bruce Davis, who turns 70 on Friday, was sentenced to life in prison for the Los Angeles-area murders of musician Donald Hinman and stuntman Donald "Shorty" Shea. He was not involved in the 1969 slayings of actress Sharon Tate and six others by members of Manson's so-called family.

    Manson, whose death sentence for the Tate murders was overturned when the state Supreme Court declared California's death penalty law unconstitutional in 1972, remains in prison.

    Three of his followers have been paroled: Steve Grogan, who was convicted of Shea's murder and helped police find his body; Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, who served 25 years for trying to assassinate President Gerald Ford in Sacramento in 1975; and Sandra Good, who spent 15 years in prison for sending threatening letters to corporate executives in 1976.

    The Board of Parole Hearings initially found Davis suitable for release in January 2010, citing his good behavior in prison, favorable psychiatric assessments and academic accomplishments. He has earned a master's degree and a doctorate in philosophy and religion, according to his lawyer.

    But Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed his parole in June 2010, saying Davis' crime had been heinous, and that he had not shown enough insight or remorse to warrant being freed. A state appellate court upheld his decision.

    A panel of the board again approved Davis' release Thursday at the California Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo. The full board has 120 days to modify or affirm the decision.

    Brown - who has overturned the board's parole decisions far less often than his predecessors - would then have 30 days to conduct his own review.

    Los Angeles County District Attorney Steve Cooley argued against parole, saying Davis still hasn't shown remorse or demonstrated he has been fully rehabilitated. Debra Tate, sister of the slain actress, also urged the board to keep Davis in prison.

    Davis' lawyer, Michael Beckman, said Davis has had no disciplinary problems since 1980 and has become a minister and spiritual counselor to other inmates, a vocation he hopes to pursue outside prison.

    Beckman said Davis had read a letter to the board from a prisoner who was planning to kill another inmate, and "Bruce talked him down. They prayed together, and he lost the desire.

    "We hope that this time the governor will let it stand, and he can finally go home," Beckman said.

    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...le-3920662.php

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    12 Unsolved Murders Have Possible Ties to Manson Family, LAPD Says

    The LAPD on Thursday announced it has open investigations on a dozen unsolved homicides near known Manson Family hangouts around Los Angeles.

    The revelation came amid a legal battle to obtain hours of audio tape recordings between former Charles Manson follower and convicted murderer Charles "Tex" Watson and his lawyer.

    "We have an obligation to the families of these victims," Cmdr. Andy Smith told NBC4. "Our detectives need to listen to these tapes. The tapes might help with solving these murders."

    News of the open investigation was first reported by the Los Angeles Times Thursday and confirmed to NBC4 by LAPD officials. Smith told the Times the 12 murders they are investigating "are similar to some of the Manson killings."

    Manson and his followers shot to infamy in 1969 after the murders of pregnant actress Sharon Tate and four others at a Benedict Canyon home in the hills above Los Angeles. That rampage was followed the next night by the murders of Leno and Rosemary LaBianca in their Los Feliz home.

    The unheard recordings sought by the LAPD were made more than four decades ago, after Watson’s arrest for his role in the Tate-LaBianca slayings.

    LAPD’s effort to obtain the tapes was not known publicly until it was reported by NBC4 News in May. And Watson has been fighting to keep those tapes under wraps. Police believe they may hold clues to "additional unsolved murders committed by followers of Charles Manson."

    Earlier this year, a court order authorized LAPD to take possession of the recordings, but Watson’s lawyer obtained a "stay" order effectively stopping the release of the tapes while his appeal is heard.

    The LAPD tried to obtain the tapes using a search warrant, according to the Times. But on Oct. 9, a federal judge in Texas granted an emergency order barring police from executing a search warrant at an office where the tapes are kept.

    For now, the tapes remain in the custody of a Texas bankruptcy trustee, who took responsibility for them after the 2009 death of Watson's original attorney, Bill Boyd. Boyd had made the recordings.

    Watson, now 66, is serving a life sentence in California's Mule Creek State Prison in Ione, Amador County, outside Sacramento.

    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/lo...174881381.html

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    On this date in history: Charles Manson is convicted

    On January 25, 1971, Charles Manson and three female co-defendants were found guilty of their roles in the Tate-LaBianca murders in Southern California.

    We point this out today because at the time, no one ever would have believed that Charles Manson would still be hanging out in prison 42 years later.

    First off, he was sentenced to death. Then California got rid of the death penalty, and his sentence was commuted to life in prison. But even so, this was a paranoid delusional schizophrenic drug addict. He petitioned to serve as his own attorney, and when that was denied he carved an "X" into his forehead with a razor blade. He later replaced that disfigurement with a swastika carved between his eyebrows. Somehow this didn't seem like a man who would make it to age 78, and yet here he is, and he seems physically healthy enough to stick around for a while.

    Over their years of incareration, the three women - Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houten and Patricia Krenwinkel - stopped using drugs, straightened themselves out and became lucid, productive people. They pursued degrees, worked in prison ministries and expressed sincere remorse for their horrible crimes. Atkins died in 2011. Krenwinkel and Van Houten remain in prison.

    By contrast, Manson remains as crazed as ever. When TV journalists show up looking to interview him, he babbles incoherently and practically foams at the mouth.

    http://www.dailypress.com/news/top-l...,7789239.story
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    Attorney: Many More Manson Murders

    A new decades-old audio tape has surfaced in which at attorney for one of the Charles Manson Family members claims the cult killed many more victims other than the infamous Tate-LiBianca murders. Bill Boyd, attorney for Charles "Tex" Watson, told a writer on tape years ago that Manson Family members killed "a bunch" more people.

    A Los Angeles television station recently received a tape of the interview with Boyd and author Tom O'Neal.

    In the interview Boyd tells the writer that Watson claimed that Manson himself committed some of the other murders.

    'A Bunch of Other' Murders


    "He told me about a bunch of other people Manson had killed," Boyd said. "He was extremely candid. This was Manson killing other people."

    Manson and three of his followers were convicted of the Tate-LiBianca murders and originally sentenced to death. Their death sentences were commuted when California briefly outlawed capital punishment in the 1970s. Conceivably, if Manson were convicted on new murder charges, he could once again face the death penalty.

    Boyd said in the interview that he had more than 20 hours of audio tapes of his interview with Tex Watson while he was representing him four decades ago. The Los Angeles Police Department have tried to gain access to those audio tapes which are tied up in the bankruptcy of Boyd's former law firm.

    Watson Fights Release of Tapes

    The LAPD originally won the right to take possession of the tapes, but Tex Watson appealed the bankruptcy judge's decision, and won a stay, saying that the tapes could become public and do more harm to the victims' families.

    Watson asked that the detectives be allowed to listen to the tapes, but not take possession of them. He also said there was no evidence of other murders on the tapes.

    Excerpts of the tapes can be heard in a video report by Heidi Cuda of MyFoxLA.com.

    http://crime.about.com/b/2013/02/06/...on-murders.htm
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    Leslie Van Houten faces 20th parole hearing since the summer of notorious murders

    She was the youngest Charles Manson follower convicted in the infamous Tate-LaBianca murders — a girl of 19 who seemed the one most likely to win parole one day

    But 44 years after she went to prison, Leslie Van Houten has gray hair and wrinkles and is facing her 20th parole hearing Wednesday with multiple forces arrayed against her bid for a chance at freedom.

    A prosecutor plans to oppose her release as he has before, citing the heinous nature of the murders that shocked the world in the summer of 1969 and continue to occupy a unique place in the annals of American crime. Survivors of victims planned to travel to the California Institution for Women to speak out against letting Van Houten go free.

    Unlike a previous hearing where Van Houten said little, her attorney, Michael Satris, said she plans to speak to the parole board on her own behalf this time, explaining that she has become a different person dedicated to doing good works.

    “She is living a life of amends for her crime on a daily basis,” Satris said. “Everything she does now is to be of service and benefit to the world.”

    He said Van Houten’s value system is the complete opposite of 1969 when “she was following the teachings of a false prophet.”

    Satris said that Van Houten wants to be released but her actions in prison are not designed for that alone.

    “She just wants to be as good of a person as she can be,” he said. “And it would be a matter of grace if the parole board would bestow on her the chance to accomplish this on the outside.”

    Van Houten has been commended before for her work helping elderly women inmates at the California Institution for Women where she and other Manson women have been incarcerated. She earned two college degrees while in custody.

    If paroled, she would be reversing a trend. Other members of Manson’s murderous “family” have lost bids for parole.

    One former Manson follower, Bruce Davis, actually was approved for parole last year only to have Gov. Jerry Brown veto the plan in March, saying he wanted the 70-year-old Davis to reveal more details about the killings of a stunt man and a musician. Davis was not involved in the slayings of actress Sharon Tate and six others.

    The Tate-La Bianca killings became among the most notorious murders of the 20th century and continue to rivet public attention.

    Van Houten was convicted of murder and conspiracy for her role in the slayings of wealthy grocers Leno and Rosemary La Bianca. They were stabbed to death in August 1969, one night after Manson’s followers killed actress Sharon Tate and four others including celebrity hairdresser Jay Sebring, coffee heiress Abigail Folger, filmmaker Voityck Frykowksi and Steven Parent, a friend of the Tate estate’s caretaker.

    Van Houten did not participate in the Tate killings but went along the next night when the La Biancas were slain in their home. During the penalty phase of her trial she confessed to joining in stabbing Mrs. La Bianca after she was dead.

    She was portrayed by her defense lawyers as the youngest and least culpable of those convicted with Manson, a young woman from a good family who had been a homecoming princess and showed promise until she became involved with drugs and was recruited into Manson’s murderous cult.

    She was convicted along with Manson, Susan Atkins and Patricia Krenwinkle. Van Houten was sentenced to death along with them but their sentences were reduced to life in prison with the possibility of parole when the death penalty was briefly outlawed in the 1970s.

    Atkins died of cancer in prison. Krenwinkle has been denied parole repeatedly and Manson, now 78, has stopped coming to parole hearings sending word that prison is his home and he wants to stay there.

    Manson’s onetime lieutenant, Charles “Tex” Watson, was convicted separately and has been denied parole many times.

    Decades ago, one of the original prosecutors in the case, Stephen Kay, said there would come a time when Van Houten would be ready for parole.

    But parole officials, while giving her high marks for her accomplishments in prison, have refused her bids for freedom 19 times. Her last hearing was in 2010 at which she said, “I apologize for the pain I caused.”

    Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira focused then on the details of the deadly summer of 1969 when Manson and his followers set out to foment a race war with a senseless killing spree. He declined to comment in advance on his planned argument Wednesday against her release.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...647_story.html
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    California parole board denies release of Manson family member Leslie Van Houten

    Former Charles Manson follower and convicted murderer Leslie Van Houten has been denied parole once again.

    A California panel rejected Van Houten's bid for release from state prison Wednesday at her 20th parole hearing.

    The 63-year-old was convicted of murder and conspiracy for her role in the August 1969 slayings of a wealthy Los Angeles couple, Leno and Rosemary LaBianca. They were stabbed to death the night after Manson's followers killed actress Sharon Tate and four others.

    The killings are among the most notorious murders of the 20th century.

    Former Charles Manson follower Leslie Van Houten told a parole board on Wednesday in unprecedented detail how committed she was to the murders Manson ordered, but asserted that she has changed and is trying to live a life for healing.

    The 63-year-old Van Houten addressed the board during her 20th parole hearing.

    The panel was also set to hear from relatives of the victims opposed to parole. A decision could be made later in the day.

    "I know I did something that is unforgiveable, but I can create a world where I make amends," Van Houten said. "I'm trying to be someone who lives a life for healing rather than destruction."

    Van Houten was convicted of murder and conspiracy for her role in the slayings of wealthy Los Angeles grocers Leno and Rosemary La Bianca. They were stabbed to death in August 1969, one night after Manson's followers killed actress Sharon Tate and four others.

    Van Houten did not participate in the Tate killings but went along the next night when the La Biancas were slain in their home. During the penalty phase of her trial she confessed to joining in stabbing Mrs. La Bianca after she was dead.

    With survivors of the LaBiancas sitting behind her at the California Institution for Women, Van Houten acknowledged participating in the killings ordered by Manson.

    "He could never have done what he did without people like me," said Van Houten, who has been in custody for 44 years.

    After years of therapy and self-examination, she said, she realizes that what she did was "like a pebble falling in a pond which affected so many people."

    "Mr. and Mrs. La Bianca died the worst possible deaths a human being can," she said.

    Arguing to the board, Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequiera said some crimes may be an exception to the law guaranteeing the possibility of parole.

    "There are certain crimes that are so heinous, so atrocious, so horrible that it should cause denial of parole," he said, elaborating on Van Houten's contradictions over the years.

    In response, Van Houten's lawyer, Michael Satris, said his client "sank to the depths of Dante's inferno and she put herself there by consorting with the devil himself, Charles Manson."

    However, Satris said his client has totally reformed herself.

    "Leslie committed a great sin, a great crime in 1969, and in that time (in prison) she has developed into the equal of a saint," he said. "Everything she does is for humanity."

    Van Houten was portrayed at trial by her defense lawyers as the youngest and least culpable of those convicted with Manson, a young woman from a good family who had been a homecoming princess and showed promise until she became involved with drugs and was recruited into Manson's murderous cult.

    Now deeply wrinkled with long gray hair tied back in a ponytail, Van Houten at times seemed near tears but did not break down at the Wednesday hearing.

    She said that when she heard the Manson family had killed Tate and others, she felt left out and asked to go along the second night.

    Asked if she would have done the same had children been involved, she answered, "I can't say I wouldn't have done that. I'd like to say I wouldn't, but I don't know."

    Asked to explain her actions, she said, "I feel that at that point I had really lost my humanity and I can't know how far I would have gone. I had no regard for life and no measurement of my limitations."

    Van Houten has previously been commended for her work helping elderly women inmates at the California Institution for Women. She earned two college degrees while in custody.

    Other members of Manson's murderous "family" have lost bids for parole.

    One former follower, Bruce Davis, actually was approved for parole last year only to have Gov. Jerry Brown veto the plan in March, saying he wanted the 70-year-old Davis to reveal more details about the killings of a stunt man and a musician. Davis was not involved in the slayings of actress Sharon Tate and six others.

    Van Houten and others were given death sentences that were later reduced to life in prison with the possibility of parole when the death penalty was briefly outlawed in the 1970s.

    Manson, now 78, has stopped coming to parole hearings, sending word that prison is his home and he wants to stay there.

    http://www.newser.com/article/da6ntl...an-houten.html
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    Charles Manson: Master Manipulator, Even As A Child

    In the summer of 1969, all eyes were on Los Angeles, where nine people had been murdered. Among the dead was Sharon Tate, a movie star and wife of movie director Roman Polanski. Police said a cult called "The Family" was responsible.

    The leader of The Family was the charismatic, ruthless and manipulative Charles Manson. America was captivated by him, and by the young women who, under his spell, had snuck into two houses in Los Angeles to murder people they had never met. The trial was nationally broadcast, and Manson became a household name.

    More than four decades after the murders, Manson is still a fascination for many, though much about his life remains murky. Writer Jeff Guinn has spent many years digging into Manson's past, getting access to family members and photos never reported on before. His new biography is called Manson: The Life And Times of Charles Manson.

    Even from an early age, Manson gave signals of trouble ahead, Guinn tells Jacki Lyden, host of weekends on All Things Considered. A cousin of Manson's told Guinn, "There was never anything happy about him. Never anything good about him."

    Interview Highlights

    On how young Charles Manson resembled the man he would become

    "It was amazing how the patterns of his later life were evident right away. Six years old first grade he's talking the girls in his class into beating up boys he doesn't like. Then when the principal comes to ask Charlie, 'Why did you do that?' Charlie's response is, 'It wasn't me; they were doing what they wanted. You can't blame me for that.' The exact same defense he uses all those years later in the Tate-LaBianca trial."

    On the truth about Manson's mother

    "Manson has lied about everything in his childhood, every opportunity that he's had, and no one's ever really challenged him on it, though the record was there if you wanted to look far enough. He always claimed he was the child of an unwed teenage prostitute who tried to sell her baby once for a pitcher of beer.

    "In no way is that true. His mother was an incompetent robber who went to prison when Charlie was 5 for a couple years for a spectacularly bungled attempted robbery. But there is no record anywhere that she was ever a prostitute, ever arrested. Thanks to finding Charlie's sister, we now know the mother's side. She tried desperately to help him, to keep him in school. She loved him and to the end of her life, her heart ached for things he did."

    On how Manson learned to manipulate people in prison

    "The Dale Carnegie courses [on leadership and self-improvement] are being taught to prisoners to help them adjust to the outside world. Later in life and in his trial, in his testimony, you hear people say over and over, 'Oh, it was like he could read my mind. He came and talked to me, and it was like he was immediately the friend I'd wanted and had never had.' Every line he used, almost word for word, comes from a Dale Carnegie textbook in a class, How to Win Friends and Influence People [1936]."

    On Manson's desire to become a music sensation

    "Charlie Manson had nothing that would make you notice him as a musician. He had great personality, he had charisma, but in a recording studio where the music has to carry you, it wasn't there."

    On Manson's place in American consciousness

    "I think Charlie would be modestly remembered but mostly forgotten now if he'd been executed, as was his original sentence. But the California courts overturned the death penalty."

    Copyright 2013 NPR. To see more, visit http://www.npr.org/.

    Transcript

    JACKI LYDEN, HOST:

    It's WEEKENDS on ALL THINGS CONSIDERED from NPR News. I'm Jacki Lyden. In the summer of 1969, all eyes were on Los Angeles. Sharon Tate, a young movie star, eight months pregnant, had been brutally murdered. A total of eight people had died on two nights and the police said a cult was responsible.

    UNIDENTIFIED MAN #1: They called themselves The Family.

    UNIDENTIFIED MAN #2: (Unintelligible) followers arrested in the investigation of the murder of Sharon Tate and six others.

    LYDEN: The leader of that cult was Charles Manson - charismatic, ruthless and manipulative. America was captivated by Manson and by the young women who, under his spell, had helped murder people they didn't even know.

    But more than four decades after the murders, there is still much that is murky about Charles Manson's life. Jeff Guinn has spent many years digging into his past. His new biography is called "Manson: The Life And Times of Charles Manson," and he joins me from member station KERA in Dallas. Welcome to the program.

    JEFF GUINN: Thank you very much.

    LYDEN: You begin his story with an incredibly detailed look at his childhood. You had access to family members and photos which no one had ever had access to before. This boy, from the time he's able to verbalize, we see that something's wrong.

    GUINN: It was amazing how the patterns of his later life were evident right away. Six years old, first grade, he's talking the girls in his class into beating up boys he doesn't like. Then when the principal comes to ask Charlie: Why did you do that? Charlie's response is: It wasn't me. They were doing what they wanted. You can't blame me for that. The exact same defense he uses all those years later in the Tate-LaBianca trial.

    LYDEN: You had a chance to speak to a cousin. You call her Jo Ann in this book. I assume that's not her real name.

    GUINN: I promised both Jo Ann and Manson's sister that I would not in any way describe them physically, where they lived, and I could only use their first names.

    LYDEN: Right. Tell me - Jo Ann, she has misgivings, deep ones, about this child. Just tell me, how does his childhood contribute to who he becomes later?

    GUINN: Jo Ann, who at this point in Manson's life has known him longer than anybody else, her first statement about Manson to me was there was never anything happy about him, never anything good about him. From the time he moved into her house with her and her parents, he lied about everything. Jo Ann feels that everything about Manson that happened later could not be a surprise to anyone who knew him as a child. And she said that to me over and over.

    LYDEN: You also delve into his relationship with his mother, Kathleen. Can you tell me about that?

    GUINN: Manson has lied about everything in his childhood, every opportunity that he's had, and no one's ever really challenged him on it, though the record was there if you wanted to look far enough. He always claimed he was the child of an unwed teenage prostitute who tried to sell her baby once for a pitcher of beer. In no way is that true.

    His mother was an incompetent robber who went to prison when Charlie was 5 for a couple years for a spectacularly bungled attempted robbery. But there is no record anywhere that she was ever a prostitute, ever arrested. Thanks to finding Charlie's sister, we now know the mother's side. She tried desperately to help him, to keep him in school. She loved him. And to the end of her life, her heart ached for the things he did.

    LYDEN: Once he gets out of the juvenile system, he tries for a few months to go straight, the only time in his life. He marries a teenage girl. He abandons her pretty quickly, and then he's out in California following his mother. He's almost immediately at Terminal Island Penitentiary in Los Angeles Harbor for car theft and pimping, and that's where you say he begins to really learn the art of manipulation from an unlikely source.

    GUINN: Most of Charlie's instructions so far in prison had come from other pimps. Charlie wanted to know how to run whores more efficiently. But in this prison, he discovers a class, Dale Carnegie. The Dale Carnegie courses are being taught to prisoners to help them adjust to the outside world. Later in life and in his trial, in his testimony, you hear people say over and over: Oh, it was like he could read my mind. He came and talked to me, and it was like he was immediately the friend I'd wanted and never had.

    Every line he used, almost word for word, comes from a Dale Carnegie textbook in a class "How to Win Friends and Influence People." He took something that was meant to be positive and uplifting and turned it, instead, for his own evil purposes. He always did that.

    LYDEN: At 32 years old, he finally ends a really long string of prison sentences, and he's free to go back to the streets and start pimping again. He moved to the Bay Area, eventually to Haight Street. It's the Summer of Love, 1967. You say that the culture at that time was almost the perfect laboratory for Charles Manson.

    GUINN: In Haight-Ashbury, it's supposedly a place where if you just want peace and love, come here, be brothers and sisters, share drugs, share sex, everything's wonderful. Manson immediately sees that the corner street gurus preaching philosophies attract all kinds of young, innocent followers who'll do anything they ask. Manson immediately begins cribbing a lot of their best lines. He remembers some of his Book of Revelation from his Nazarene upbringing, quotes The Beatles and begins presenting himself as someone with all the answers.

    LYDEN: You go into great detail about his relationship with the Beach Boys' Dennis Wilson. What new things did you find out about Manson's place in the music culture of the time?

    GUINN: By latching onto Dennis Wilson, Manson thought that gave him immediate entre into getting his ultimate dream, being signed to a recording contract and getting to be a bigger star than The Beatles. The fact that Manson is very, very adequate at best as a songwriter and performer has nothing to do with the fantasy that he built up. Charlie Manson had nothing that would make you notice him as a musician. He had great personality, he had charisma, but in a recording studio where the music has to carry you, it wasn't there.

    LYDEN: You know, Charles Manson will never get out of prison. But weirdly, and this book really emphasizes this, he is still a living part of our culture. You talk about kids who wear Manson T-shirts, about bands - many bands who recorded parts of his songs like Guns n' Roses. What on Earth is the draw that Charles Manson has now?

    GUINN: Since those terrible nights, August 1969, how many more horrific murders have we had in America? The media made so much of Manson at the time. It was an era in America and the world where anything good or bad could happen. Men walked on the moon, the Mets won the pennant, Woodstock and the Manson murders.

    But the other thing is I think Charlie would be modestly remembered but mostly forgotten now if he'd been executed, as was his original sentence. But the California courts overturned the death penalty. Just before his final arrest, he called the family together and explained to them, if he was ever arrested, he was going to put on his Crazy Charlie act. And he has maintained the Crazy Charlie act all these years since, and people have bought into it.

    What may have happened in all these 43 years since is he's done it so long he doesn't know the difference between that and himself anymore. But from the beginning, it was calculated. And you have to give the man credit, even though it's a disgusting sort of credit. It's worked.

    LYDEN: That's Jeff Guinn. He is the author of "Manson: The Life and Times of Charles Manson." Jeff Guinn, thank you very much.

    GUINN: It was a pleasure. Thank you.

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    Very interesting post, Heidi. After reading several books about Manson et. al., I've always wondered where the people were who could refute/collaborate his stories of his pathetic childhood. I may have to read this one. I admit that I, too, have a morbid fascination of how a small number of people could commit such horrific crimes with such complicity and little dissent. California has housed these inmates for decades, costing their taxpayers millions I'm sure. To my knowledge, only Steve "Clem" Grogan and Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme have been released and Susan "Sadie" Atkins has died. The rest are still in prison. I think this would be an interesting read. Thanks for the post.

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    Manson, Leslie Van Houten, Tex Watson, Patricia Krenwinkel, Bruce Davis and Bobby Beausoleil are all still incarcerated.

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    Did you know that Bruce Davis has been approved for parole twice by the parole board and it was over-ridden by two separate governors? This happened in 2010 by Arnold Schwarzenegger and in 2013 by Jerry Brown. Interesting.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/us...avis.html?_r=0

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