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    An Alabama man on death row says he is innocent. Will he get a new trial?

    In 1998, prosecutors failed to tell the defense that a key witness in Toforest Johnson’s capital murder trial would receive thousands of dollars in reward money for her testimony, Johnson’s attorneys say. Now a Birmingham judge must decide whether their argument has merit.

    On July 19, 1995, Jefferson County Deputy Sheriff William Hardy was shot dead while working his second job as a hotel security guard. The murder of Hardy, a 23-year veteran of the sheriff’s department, stunned his hometown of Birmingham, Alabama, and police worked frantically to solve the case. Then in a July 27 press conference, police announced a breakthrough: They had arrested four people for the murder, including a man named Toforest Johnson.

    Six days later, then-Governor Fob James issued a proclamation that anyone with information leading to the arrest and conviction of the killer would be rewarded $10,000. A local woman named Violet Ellison went to police soon after that and told them she had overheard a man bragging about Hardy’s murder over the telephone. She explained to investigators that her daughter, who would sometimes place three-way calls for prisoners at the Jefferson County Jail, made a call on Aug. 3, 1995, and left the room. Ellison told police she picked up the phone and heard a man who identified himself as “Toforest.” Ellison, according to court filings, said she heard the man boast, “I shot the fucker in the head and I saw his head go back and he fell” and then “Fella shot once.”

    Jefferson County District Attorney David Barber charged Johnson with capital murder. There was no physical evidence nor were there eyewitnesses, so Ellison was the star witness at Johnson’s 1998 trial. (She was also the star witness at his 1997 trial, which ended in a mistrial.) On the stand, she testified that she approached police six days after listening to the call because she had a guilty conscience and was having trouble sleeping.

    The account that Ellison said she heard over the phone contradicted testimony from hotel guests and the opinions of forensic experts, which both suggested the two fatal shots were fired in quick succession from the same gun. Yet lead prosecutor Jeffrey Wallace told the jury that Ellison was “some of the most important evidence one could find” because she didn’t have a stake in the trial’s outcome. At the conclusion of the trial, a judge sentenced Johnson to die.

    Johnson, who has been on death row for 21 years, has always said he is innocent. Now he has a chance at freedom. In June, his attorneys argued that the prosecution never told the defense that Ellison would be paid reward money for her testimony. It’s an issue they’ve raised since 2003, and one that they say is so significant that Johnson should be awarded a new trial because of it. Prosecutors for the state said that they had done nothing wrong, saying that Ellison didn’t know about the money when she testified. Jefferson County Circuit Court Judge Teresa Pulliam must now determine whether the prosecution’s failure to disclose that Ellison would receive reward money warrants a new trial.

    Under the 1963 U.S. Supreme Court ruling Brady v. Maryland, prosecutors must turn over all evidence that is favorable to the defense, including evidence that could be used to challenge the credibility of a witness. In 2017, the Court ordered Alabama to hold a hearing to determine whether prosecutors may have violated that decision, known as the Brady rule, by not telling the defense about Ellison’s reward.

    In the hearing on June 6, Ellison testified that she was not aware of the money until 2001, when she was contacted by the state to retrieve it, according to a report by WBRC 6. Johnson’s attorneys, however, argued that documents the state turned over this year in January show that Ellison did know about the money, which motivated her to testify against their client. Those documents included a 2001 letter from Jefferson County District Attorney David Barber to then-Governor Don Siegelman, stating that Ellison, “pursuant to the public offer of a reward,” had given information helpful to convicting Johnson and should be paid $5,000. (Barber determined that Ellison should receive half of the initial $10,000 reward because Johnson was already in jail by the time she came forward.)

    Johnson’s attorneys learned of the reward in 2003 and asked for documents about it then. The state did not turn them over until 16 years later because the district attorney’s office had “misfiled” them, Mike Lewis, a spokesperson for Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall told The Appeal in an email.

    Marc Bookman, a co-director of the Atlantic Center for Capital Representation, told The Appeal that this information would have been crucial during Johnson’s trial. “The motivation of a witness is highly relevant in any case, and never more so than when a death sentence is involved,” he said. “In a case where the evidence of guilt is shockingly thin, a Brady violation takes on great significance. If a witness testified because she was aware of a reward, that would surely be evidence a jury should have heard.”

    In an email to The Appeal, Lewis said that the state did not violate the Brady doctrine because Ellison was “unaware” of the reward when she testified and “at the time of Johnson’s trial, the prosecutor was unaware that Ellison would request the cash award several years after the trial.”

    Johnson’s attorneys declined to comment to The Appeal because the issue is pending in court, but they have long alleged that, along with the reward money, there is a wealth of information supporting his innocence that the jury never got to consider. They largely attribute this to a poor performance by his trial attorneys. The attorneys, they said in a 2005 filing, hired only one investigator, who had an IQ of 63 and drank at least a quarter gallon of whiskey every day for 20 years, including when he was working on Johnson’s case. Trial lawyers also failed to call witnesses, Johnson’s legal team wrote, who could have testified that there was a prisoner at the Jefferson County jail who they say “routinely impersonated” Johnson and other prisoners when placing calls to young girls in a bid to impress them. Nor did attorneys call a man who was staying at the hotel the night that Hardy was shot and said he saw a tall man walk away from Hardy’s body. (Johnson is 5 feet 5 inches tall.) And trial attorneys either didn’t call or failed to properly prepare at least 10 alibi witnesses who said they saw Johnson at a nightclub at the time of the shooting, Johnson’s lawyers alleged.

    In addition, police arrested Johnson and his co-defendant Ardragus Ford based on the story of a 15-year-old girl who admitted on several occasions, including under oath, that she had lied because she wanted the reward money and then felt pressured by police to stick to her story. At their trials, prosecutors offered opposing theories on who shot Hardy: At Ford’s 1999 trial, they argued that Ford was the shooter, and at Johnson’s trial, they told the jury that Johnson and a friend had killed Hardy. Ford was acquitted of all charges.

    If Pulliam does grant Johnson a new trial, newly elected Jefferson County District Attorney Danny Carr has the discretion to decide whether to prosecute the case. Carr ran for district attorney as a progressive candidate who pledged to ensure that his team complies with the Brady rule. But even before Pulliam makes a decision, Carr could influence the case by pushing for a new trial and asking Marshall to drop his challenges to the claim that prosecutors had acted improperly.

    “There is no question that the district attorney’s opinion in the jurisdiction he was elected to serve carries a powerful moral force,” said Bookman, “particularly in a capital case where there is the possibility of an innocent man’s execution. If he feels that a new trial is appropriate, one would hope he would say so.”

    Carr declined an interview with The Appeal, citing the ongoing litigation.

    In addition to the claim before Pulliam, Johnson also has an appeal pending in federal court that includes claims that Johnson’s trial attorneys were ineffective, prosecutors violated the Brady rule, and also illegally struck Black jurors. And in May, his attorneys filed a request that the state throw out Johnson’s death sentence because Wallace, the lead trial prosecutor, told them and Carr earlier this year that he had “grave doubts” about Johnsons’s guilt. Wallace also backtracked on his stance on Ellison’s testimony in 2014: “I don’t think the state’s case was very strong, because it depended on the testimony of Violet Ellison in my opinion,” he said in a post-conviction hearing.

    Ellison’s daughter, Katrina, who testified for the state in 1998 about placing the 1995 phone call to the Jefferson County jail that led to Johnson’s conviction, agreed. “I think he does deserve a fair trial,” she told The Appeal. “The only thing they had was the phone call and that’s not right. That wasn’t strong enough to hold, to convict somebody to death.”

    Alabama courts have denied Johnson’s requests for a new trial two times in the past, but his daughter, Shanaye Poole, told The Appeal that the latest developments have sparked a newfound sense of hope for her family. Now 27, Poole was 5 years old when she watched a judge sentence her father to die. “I just honestly can’t wrap my mind around it,” she told The Appeal. “It’s hard for us but at the end of the day my dad has been sitting there for 20-plus years. He is who my heart breaks for every single day.”

    https://theappeal.org/alabama-man-death-row-new-trial/
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    Jefferson County judge considers how witness reward affected death row case

    A Jefferson County judge is considering whether a death row inmate convicted of killing a deputy 24 years ago should be granted a new trial based on his claim that prosecutors failed to disclose that a key witness came forward because the state offered a reward.

    Attorneys representing Toforest Johnson filed a brief on December 20 in response to one filed by the Alabama attorney general’s office in November. Jefferson County Circuit Judge Teresa Pulliam is presiding over the case.

    A jury convicted Johnson of capital murder in 1998 for the 1995 slaying of Jefferson County Deputy William Hardy, who was shot to death while working a part-time security job for a Birmingham hotel. Johnson has been on death row since 1998.

    In 2017, the U.S. Supreme Court remanded the question about the witness reward to the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals, which sent the case to Pulliam.

    Violet Ellison testified at Johnson’s trial in 1998 that she had listened in on a three-way phone call and heard Johnson confess to the crime. Ellison received a $5,000 reward for her assistance in the case in 2001.

    Johnson’s attorneys said in court briefs that prosecutors should have told the defense during the trial that Ellison contacted authorities because she knew about the offer of a reward. Failure to provide that information violated Johnson’s constitutional right to information that could weigh in his favor, Johnson’s lawyers wrote. They asked Pulliam to vacate the conviction and grant a new trial.

    The attorney general’s office said in its brief that Johnson failed to prove by a preponderance of evidence that Ellison contacted law enforcement in hopes of getting a reward and that prosecutors withheld that information from the defense.

    Pulliam held a hearing in June. Ellison testified that she did not know about the reward until 2001, three years after the trial, when the district attorney’s office contacted her about signing some papers to receive the reward.

    On December 12, the Innocence Project, a non-profit organization that represents indigent prisoners, filed a request in Jefferson County court, asking to intervene in Johnson’s case. The request says the case “bears several hallmarks of a wrongful conviction.”

    https://www.al.com/news/2019/12/jeff...-row-case.html
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    Alabama Judge Denies New Trial for Toforest Johnson

    A Birmingham judge has denied a new trial to Alabama death-row prisoner Toforest Johnson, saying he had not proven his claim that his conviction and death sentence for the killing of a sheriff’s deputy in 1995 were the product of prosecutorial misconduct.

    Johnson was convicted in 1999 of murdering Jefferson County Sheriff’s Deputy William G. Hardy. Over the course of four different court proceedings, the state presented at least five different accounts of who committed the killing. No physical evidence connected Johnson to the crime, and ten alibi witnesses placed him at a nightclub on the other side of Birmingham when the shooting occurred. Johnson’s conviction rested on the testimony of one witness, Violet Ellison, who claimed she had been eavesdropping on a phone call her daughter had placed to the prison and overheard a man calling himself “Toforest” confess to the crime. Prosecutors did not disclose to Johnson’s lawyers or the jury that Ellison had been paid $5,000 in reward money for her testimony.

    Johnson’s lawyers first learned in 2003 that a reward payment may have been made. The prosecution had been aware of the payment and the trial judge, Alfred Bahakel, whose brother Jerry was a Jefferson County sheriff’s deputy at the time Hardy was murdered, approved the payout. Neither disclosed the payment to the defense. After 15 years of litigation on the issue, the Alabama Attorney General’s office turned over documentation of the reward payment in January 2019. They blamed the delay on Jefferson County prosecutors having “misfiled” the records of the payment.

    In a June 2019 hearing in Jefferson County court, Johnson presented evidence documenting the payment, including copies of the $5,000 check and a letter from then-District Attorney David Barber asking for the state to pay Ellison and acknowledging that she had come forward in an effort to collect the reward money. Ellison testified that she was unaware of the reward until several years after the trial, but Johnson’s lawyer, Ty Alper argued, “[t]he State does not just call you out of the blue, years after trial for no particular reason and tell you, we’d like to give you $5000 for this trial that you testified in 3 years ago.”

    In a March 16, 2020 order, Judge Teresa Pulliam credited Ellison’s testimony, describing her as “well-dressed” and “articulate.” Ellison’s testimony, she wrote, outweighed the evidence presented by Johnson’s attorneys. His lawyers said they would appeal the court’s ruling.

    Johnson’s case has attracted national attention as part of a pattern of misconduct by Jefferson County prosecutors. In 2014, Jeff Wallace, the state’s lead prosecutor, said, “I don’t think the State’s case was very strong, because it depended on the testimony of Violet Ellison.” Johnson’s lawyers pointed to inconsistencies in Ellison’s story, which did not match the physical evidence in the case.

    Over the course of 4 trials of Johnson and his co-defendant, Ardragus Ford, Birmingham prosecutors advanced at least five different, contradictory theories of the crime, many of them based on the shifting testimony of a 15-year-old witness, Yolanda Chambers.

    Chambers’ story changed numerous times after police repeatedly threatened her with imprisonment. Two other witnesses who refused to testify to the version of events police wanted were jailed. In an?amicus brief?filed in support of Johnson in December 2019, the Innocence Project wrote, “[i]f ever a case bore the hallmarks of a wrongful conviction, Toforest Johnson’s is it.”

    During his campaign for office, Jefferson County District Attorney Danny Carr pledged to “examine post-conviction cases to identify and correct wrongful prosecutions,” including “previously-imposed death sentences.” He said his office is reviewing Johnson’s case. “At the end of the day, my dad is still innocent,” Johnson’s daughter, Shanaye Poole said. “Our family is more determined than ever to make sure the truth prevails and he comes home.”

    (source: Death Penalty Information Center)
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    EXCLUSIVE: District attorney urges new trial for man on Alabama’s death row

    By Beth Shelburne
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    JEFFERSON COUNTY, Ala. (WBRC) - Jefferson County District Attorney Danny Carr filed an extraordinary legal pleading Friday in the high-profile capital murder case of Toforest Johnson, urging the Court to set aside Johnson’s conviction and order a new trial.

    Citing a number of factors, Carr wrote that his “duty to seek justice requires intervention in this case.” Carr’s request for a new trial was joined by the original prosecutor who obtained Johnson’s conviction.

    Johnson was convicted and sentenced to death in 1998 in Birmingham for the murder of Deputy Sheriff William G. Hardy, a crime he has always maintained he did not commit. At trial, the State’s only evidence implicating Johnson was testimony from Violet Ellison, a woman who claimed she overheard someone who identified himself as “Toforest” confess to the murder on a three-way jail telephone call. Ellison had never met Johnson, and had never heard his voice.

    At a June 2019 hearing in Jefferson County Circuit Court, attorneys for Johnson presented newly-discovered evidence that the State paid Ellison $5,000 for her testimony, a fact that prosecutors had failed to disclose to Johnson’s trial attorneys. But Judge Teresa Pulliam denied Johnson's request for a new trial in March. His appeal is currently pending in the Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals.

    Carr, who has previously declined to discuss the case publicly, filed a “friend of the court” brief in Judge Pulliam’s court Friday stating that “in the interest of justice,” Johnson should be granted a new trial. Carr’s office spent almost nine months reviewing the case files, interviewing witnesses, and consulting with the family of Deputy Hardy.

    Carr identified a number of concerns about Johnson’s conviction, including that prosecutors in various court proceedings “presented as many as five different theories relative to who shot Deputy Hardy.” Carr also emphasized that alibi witnesses who never testified at Johnson’s trial remembered seeing Johnson across town at the time Deputy Hardy was killed.

    Perhaps most significantly, Carr wrote that he had spoken with the lead trial prosecutor at Johnson’s trial, who “expressed concerns about this case” and supported the request for a new trial. According to court filings, the lead prosecutor, Jeff Wallace, had earlier told lawyers on both sides of the case that he had “grave doubts” about Johnson’s guilt. Wallace also testified in Judge Pulliam’s court in 2014 that he did not think the case against Johnson was very strong because it was based only on Ellison’s word.

    Carr noted that he sought to intervene in the case now because of his “duty to the Court and the people of Jefferson County,” recognizing that “a prosecutor’s duty is not merely to secure convictions, but to seek justice.”

    With the case pending on appeal in the Court of Criminal Appeals, the State is now represented by Attorney General Steve Marshall.

    Community leaders praised Carr’s decision Friday.

    “I would like to thank DA Carr for his recognition that he has no debts to pay to corrupt criminal justice system practices of the past - and no more so than now, when we have a human life, the life of Toforest Johnson, on the line,” said Scott Douglas, the Executive Director of Greater Birmingham Ministries.

    “Toforest never got a fair trial. As Dr. King said, ‘it is always the right time to do right.’”

    Johnson’s daughter, Shanaye Poole, said Carr’s support has sparked a new sense of hope in her family.

    “We are truly thankful, and although this is a step in the right direction, we plan on pressing on until my father returns home,” Poole said.

    Johnson’s legal team also praised Carr’s move.

    “The Jefferson County Office of the District Attorney stood up for justice today,” said Ty Alper, one of Johnson’s attorneys. “District Attorney Danny Carr personally led an objective and thorough review of this case. We are very grateful to him, and we certainly agree with his conclusion that Mr. Johnson deserves a new trial in light of the evidence.”

    https://www.wbrc.com/2020/06/12/dist...mas-death-row/
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    Attorneys for man on Alabama death row ask court to consider DA’s plea for a new trial

    By Eddie Burkhalter
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    Jefferson County District Attorney Danny Carr’s request for a new trial is an extremely rare move.

    Attorneys for Toforest Johnson, a man serving on Alabama’s death row, asked a judge last week to consider Jefferson County District Attorney Danny Carr’s request for a new trial.

    In an extremely rare move for a district attorney, Carr and the lead prosecutor in Johnson’s 1995 trial for the shooting death of Jefferson County deputy William Hardy both asked the court in June to grant a new trial, citing numerous problems with the case after Carr’s nine-month investigation into Johnson’s trial.

    “A prosecutor’s duty is not merely to secure convictions, but to seek justice,” Carr wrote in his June brief to the 10th Judicial Circuit Court in Jefferson County. “After reviewing the circumstances of Mr. Johnson’s conviction and his subsequent Brady claim, the District Attorney has determined that its duty to seek justice requires intervention in the case based on a couple of factors.”

    Prosecutors in Johnson’s trial presented no physical evidence or eyewitnesses tying Johnson to the shooting and built the case on testimony from a single witness, Violet Ellison, who said that while eavesdropping on a phone call from a man in jail she heard an inmate who she thought to be Johnson admit to shooting Hardy.

    Ellison had never met Johnson or heard his voice, and was paid $5,000 from the state to testify against Johnson, a fact that wasn’t made known to defense attorneys at the time.

    Carr wrote to the court in June that the state, in several trials for people connected to the case, presented five different theories about who shot deputy Hardy, the case was originally based on testimony from a woman who admitted to repeatedly lying to police and prosecutors, and under oath.

    Johnson and a friend, Ardragus Ford, were both charged and tried separately for Hardy’s murder.

    In Ford’s trial, prosecutors said Ford pulled the trigger. In Johnson’s trial, prosecutors said Johnson was the shooter. Ford was acquitted and Johnson’s first trial ended in a hung jury, but the second trial in 1998 resulted in him receiving the death penalty.

    Both Ford and Johnson’s charges stemmed from statements made at the time by a 15-year-old girl who later admitted under oath that she lied to police because she wanted the reward money and because she felt pressure from police, according to The Appeal.

    Judge Teresa Pulliam of the Jefferson County Circuit Court previously in July denied the request for a new trial on procedural grounds. The recent filing by Johnson’s attorneys put the matter squarely before Pulliam’s court.

    “The District Attorney fulfilled his duty to seek justice by thoroughly evaluating Mr. Johnson’s case and calling for a new trial after determining that his office could no longer stand by the conviction. This is exactly what a prosecutor is supposed to do,” Johnson’s attorneys wrote to the court in the filing last week. “Now, this Court must give ‘great weight’ to the District Attorney’s judgment and it must recognize that Mr. Johnson’s conviction cannot stand.”

    Johnson’s attorneys in the latest filing wrote that “no court has ever permitted an execution when both the District Attorney and the lead trial prosecutor agree that the sentence should be vacated due to concerns about the integrity of the conviction.”

    Tony Green, Johnson’s cousin, told APR that he’s grateful that Carr looked carefully at Johnson’s case and came to the same conclusion that the family has known all along, “that he deserves a new trial.”

    “This is what I’ve been hoping for for many years, just to get a fair opportunity,” Green said.

    Green said Johnson has missed the chance to see his children grow up, and the family has stepped up to try and fill that void but said there’s no replacing a child’s own father.

    “I’m just praying that fresh eyes will see the truth of this matter and right this wrong,” Green said. “There’s been a terrible injustice. We can’t change the past, but we can do the right thing now.”

    (source: alreporter.com)
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    Former Alabama Attorney General and Chief Justice Support New Trial in Death Row Case

    By Beth Shelburne
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    Former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Drayton Nabers, Jr. and former Alabama Attorney General Bill Baxley have joined District Attorney Danny Carr’s call for a Jefferson County court to throw out the conviction of Toforest Johnson, an Alabama man facing the death penalty.

    Baxley and Nabers were two of several dozen former prosecutors, retired judges, religious leaders, defense attorneys and legal scholars who filed briefs Tuesday asking Circuit Judge Teresa Pulliam to overturn Johnson’s murder conviction and grant him a new trial. Johnson has always maintained that he is innocent of the 1995 murder of William G. Hardy, a Jefferson County Sheriff’s Deputy.

    Seven “friend of the court” briefs were filed in support of Johnson’s request for a new trial, an unusual outpouring of support from the Birmingham legal, faith, and activist communities. The briefs raised concerns about the credibility of a key witness and conflicting legal theories presented by the prosecution in different court proceedings. The briefs voiced strong support for Carr, whose office originally prosecuted Johnson and who has already called for the conviction to be set aside.

    “When a prosecutor takes the extraordinary step of re-examining a previous conviction… if the prosecutor concludes that the conviction cannot stand, that conclusion should be given substantial deference,” Baxley and the former prosecutors, including former U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance, wrote in a brief filed on their behalf by Adam P. Plant at Battle & Winn.

    Many of the briefs were prepared by the state’s largest law firms such as Bradley Arant LLP, Balch & Bingham LLP, and Baker Donelson. The firms volunteered to draft and file the briefs in support of Johnson free of charge.

    “I believe that when society confers on us the privilege of practicing law, it carries with it a responsibility to promote justice and to offer our services as officers of the court to ensure that all people have equal access to justice,” said Barry Ragsdale, a partner at Sirote & Permutt, P.C. “We were convinced, after reviewing Mr. Johnson’s case and reading that District Attorney Carr had joined the call for a new trial, that justice has not been served in this case and that we needed to help to right this wrong.”

    While such briefs are common in the United States Supreme Court, none involved could remember an instance in which so many briefs were simultaneously filed by such wide-ranging groups in an Alabama circuit court.

    https://www.wbrc.com/2021/03/09/form...eath-row-case/

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    Toforest has to be in the top 10 of most awful (made up) names ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen View Post
    Toforest has to be in the top 10 of most awful (made up) names ever.
    hahahahahahaha i was watching "The first 48" a few weeks back and i believe i have a better one. Larobert Johnson
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    Oh my..that is awful
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    Pfft that's nothing - a friend of my dad's is a teacher and had a student named Shithead (pronounced Shi-thead, so not pronounced like the obscenity but spelled that way nevertheless).
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