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    I found the bill last night I was getting confused on if the chair is default. The language in that bill clarified it. What made it so confusing is adding the firing squad. It should’ve been left as is.

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    If their state supreme court ruled that you can’t sue against a convict-selected method, adding firing squad is useful because that’s a field where experience is needed and currently lacking in the U.S.

    If their state supreme court ruled that you can sue it, that is still worth the try, because if one method is struck down and the other is not you can still have some executions. It might be beneficial to have some of them barred even from federal courts-challenges alone.

    That applies also if their state supreme court did not rule on the issue, in such case they should quote Stewart v. Lagrand as a persuasive precedent in their court filings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil View Post

    Since the last execution was carried out in May 2011, South Carolina's death row has dropped from about 60 inmates to 37 as of now because of natural deaths and prisoners winning appeals and being resentenced to life without parole. Prosecutors have sent just three new inmates to death row in the past decade.
    What a waste of time and resources. They aren't restarting, again is the 5th time a bill has gotten this far.
    "There is a point in the history of a society when it becomes so pathologically soft and tender that among other things it sides even with those who harm it, criminals, and does this quite seriously and honestly. Punishing somehow seems unfair to it, and it is certain that imagining ‘punishment’ and ‘being supposed to punish’ hurts it, arouses fear in it." Friedrich Nietzsche

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    Here’s the link to the bill if anyone wants to read it

    https://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess124...bills/200.docx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    What a waste of time and resources. They aren't restarting, again is the 5th time a bill has gotten this far.
    Not sure that all previous bills passed both houses while the governor already announced he will sign it.

    One article said last month:

    Republicans are much better situated to pass the bill this year. In November, the GOP won seats in both the House and the Senate, strengthening their ability to derail any Democratic effort to stop the bill.

    https://www.thestate.com/news/politi...249175750.html

    Whatever the circumstances it is always worth to try. Always.
    Last edited by Steven AB; 03-03-2021 at 01:48 PM.
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    Reconciliation of House and Senate bills is where legislation that representatives want to vote for but don't want to pass goes to die.

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    We have no indication that this bill is in "reconciliation", nor that this process means that in South Carolina. It is not even sure it exists in that state. Even at the federal level "reconciliation" is a process for budget legislation, which this bill isn't. The prior post is a dodge with zero factual basis.
    Last edited by Steven AB; 03-03-2021 at 04:40 PM.
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    Reconciliation is a term for coming up with a single bill to pass when different versions pass the House and Senate.

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    That’s quite different from what you said previously. Besides, not adopting an identical bill at first reading is quite common in bicameral systems and not inconsistent with final enactment as law.

    But you are right to point out that the amend-and-send process cannot be indefinite. In this case the House should adopt the last Senate bill without change.

    http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/...l=1#post133376

    http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/...l=1#post133378
    Last edited by Steven AB; 03-03-2021 at 04:45 PM.
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    It's a pretty common trick up here for bills to die in reconciliation. ymmv

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