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    Quote Originally Posted by JT View Post
    This sounds like a bad idea to me somehow. Vietnam does not have much (if any) credible domestic capability to produce complex anaesthetics or sedatives.

    The United States does, however, the various state DOCs just don't have the money to do something like this.
    Would it be feasible for various death-penalty states to pool their funds to produce these substances together as a sort of consortium?

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    Theoretically I don't see why not. They would not be producing thiopental on a truly industrial scale but the start-up costs would still be horrific (though much more affordable as a consortium). The precursor chemicals required to synthesise thiopental are not complex and are readily available domestically. Legally, I can't imagine the federal government would allow the states to produce this drug to less than pharmaceutical grade, although that expertise is available.

    Those states that wished to maintain the three-drug protocol would be able to do so - there is no shortage of domestically-produced pancuronium or potassium chloride.

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    Why not go to India which produces drugs like Kamagra which is a Viagra clone. India also produces AIDS/Hiv drugs for poor markets that cannot afford western prices.
    Cambodia produces methamphetamine which to me is proof if you want something badly enough it can be obtained.

    And I still say a bullet is quick efficient and cheap. Hell the Chinese used to charge families for the bullet used.

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    Some U.S. states have previously obtained lethal injection drugs from India. It's a possibility.

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    Vietnam changes law to allow domestically produced poison in lethal injection, skirting EU ban

    HANOI, Vietnam — Vietnam has issued a new law allowing domestically produced chemicals to be used in lethal injections, a change that should enable it to resume the currently stalled executions of more than 530 people on death row.

    The holdup was a result of an EU ban on its factories exporting chemicals used in lethal injections. The ban was issued because the EU regards capital punishment as a human rights violation. It has left Vietnam unable to execute a prisoner since November 2011, when the country decided to switch from firing squads to lethal injections on humanitarian grounds.
    Vietnam’s old law governing executions stipulated the names of the three chemicals produced in the EU that had to be used in lethal injection. The new law issued this week doesn’t mention the chemicals by name, meaning local versions can be produced and used. The law will take effect on June 27.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...f7c_story.html

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    117 inmates to be executed with lethal injections made in Vietnam

    As many as 117 death-row inmates will be given lethal injections made in Vietnam beginning June 27 when a new regulation takes effect.



    The amended decree on lethal injection stipulates that each prisoner will be given a shot containing three kinds of drugs: one that induces the loss of consciousness. a muscle relaxant, and one designed to stop the heart.



    Minister of Public Security Tran Dai Quang said the 117 prisoners had been awaiting execution indefinitely due to a lack of lethal injection drugs, which Vietnam previously had imported from Europe.


    However, the European Union banned the exportation of lethal injection drugs because it regards capital punishment (which is also banned) to be a violation of human rights.



    The ban had left Vietnam unable to execute a prisoner since November 2011, just as the country had implemented a switch from the firing squad – which had been used previously – to lethal injection as its method of execution. Lethal injection is commonly considered a more humane form of execution.



    Last month, the government issued the decree that called for the domestic production of lethal injection cocktails. Now that the poisons are being produced locally, executions will resume as soon as the decree takes effect.



    Vietnam's former decree on lethal injection stipulated that three specific drugs produced in the EU had to be used in executions.

    http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/p...njections.aspx
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    Well then, why can't US death penalty states now attempt to buy lethal-injection drugs from the Vietnamese?

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    Death upheld for wife who murdered cop

    The Supreme People's Court in Ho Chi Minh City yesterday maintained the death sentence for 45-year-old Du Kim Lien, who killed her husband, a police colonel, with sleeping pills first and then pesticide through injection last year.

    The victim was Colonel Tran Xuan Chuyen who had worked in the Phu Lam Police Office under HCMC Traffic Police Department. He died at 50.

    Lien, who was arrested on March 14, 2012, on charges of murder, was sentenced to death by the HCMC People's Court on March 29, 2013. She later appealed.

    At court yesterday, Lien cried and said she deeply repented of her crime. She begged the jury to give her a lighter sentence so that she could have a chance to live with her children.

    However, the court rejected her appeal, affirming that there was no ground to consider a commutation, since she had carried out the killing in a cruel and despicable manner.

    Lien had a strong determination to kill her husband at any cost and with such a crime she deserved the death penalty, the jury concluded.

    At the March 29 trial, Lien told the court that she had suggested to Chuyen that they should sell their house to pay debts totaling VND1.3 billion ($62,400) that she had borrowed from many people, but Chuyen did not agree.

    Chuyen often beat her when he got home after drinking, especially after she told him about her plan to sell the house, Lien had told the court.

    Therefore, she decided to kill him so that she would become the sole owner of the property and have a free hand to sell it at any time.

    On March 11, 2012, after Chuyen returned home and got drunk, she mixed 10 sleeping pills into a glass of milk and offered it to him.

    Finding Chuyen not dead after hours of sleeping, Lien fed him with the sleeping pills again, but the man was still alive, so she decided to kill him with pesticide.

    She then injected pesticide into her husband's bottoms through a syringe and also poured it into his mouth until he died on March 13.

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    American man bound for Sydney faces death penalty in Vietnam over alleged heroin

    An American could face the death penalty in Vietnam after allegedly attempting to smuggle more than a kilogram of heroin to Australia.

    The 40-year-old US citizen of Vietnamese origin was trying to leave Ho Chi Minh City on a flight to Sydney yesterday when he was caught with the drugs, the state-run Thanh Nien newspaper said.

    He was arrested at the city's Tan Son Nhat international airport with the more than 1 kilogram of heroin in his luggage, the report said, adding police were investigating the case.

    Vietnam's drug laws are among the toughest in the world and anyone found guilty of possessing more than around half a kilogram of heroin faces the death penalty.

    In October 2012, a 61-year-old Filipina was sentenced to death after she was caught smuggling more than five kilograms of methamphetamine into the country.

    And in June last year, a 23-year-old Thai design student was sentenced to death for trafficking three kilograms of amphetamines.

    At present, there are more than 400 prisoners on death row, mostly for cases involving drugs or murder, but executions have declined in recent years.

    No prisoners have been executed since July 2011, when Vietnam replaced execution by firing squads with lethal injections, as the country failed to import the lethal drugs needed to carry out the penalty.

    In May this year, Vietnam amended the law on executions to allow locally-produced drugs to be used, potentially paving the way for a resumption of executions.

    The new law comes into effect tomorrow but it is not clear whether executions will be immediately resumed.

    (source: Herald Sun)
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    Vietnam’s death row inmates enduring a wait worse than death

    Death-row prisoner Nguyen Tien Cong got tired of waiting for the state to kill him.

    The 35-year-old man committed suicide in prison on June 15, two years after the Hai Phong People’s Court sentenced him to death for killing a 61-year-old who caught him breaking into his house.

    Executions were scheduled to resume last month, after having been delayed indefinitely since Vietnam shifted from the firing squad to lethal injection under the amended Law on Execution of Criminal Judgments that took effect on November 1, 2011.

    The initial delays were the result of the European Union’s refusal to sell the lethal drug cocktail Vietnamese law mandated must be used for executions. The government further amended its decree, which took effect June 27, to make way for the use of locally produced drugs.

    However, executions were delayed once again last week, leaving 568 death-row inmates to wonder when the country would get around to killing them.

    Cao Ngoc Oanh, director of the central police department in charge of managing nationwide prisons, told the media on June 26 that “we are not ready to carry out with lethal injections.”

    According to Nguyen Xuan Truong, a Ministry of Health spokesman, the Drug Administration of Vietnam was appointed to manufacture lethal injection cocktails. However, he refused to provide further details, saying the matter was “classified”.

    While it is unclear when locally produced lethal injections will be administered, experts have said the continuance of delays has placed a tremendous amount of pressure on both death-row inmates and prison guards.

    At a recent parliamentarian session, lawmaker Nguyen Van Hien said there are 76 people on death-row in Hanoi, while the city’s facility where they are being held was only designed to house 62 prisoners.

    “Many prisoners have been waiting to be executed for five to six years,” he said, adding that many prisoners have been begging to be executed.

    Nguyen Hoa Binh, chief of the Supreme People’s Procuracy, Vietnam’s highest prosecutors’ agency, even proposed further amending the law to allow for either the firing squad or lethal injection to be used.

    Deathly uncertainty

    No matter which method the state settles on, many death-row prisoners said they want to be executed as soon as possible rather than live with the terror that comes with awaiting an unknown execution day.

    Colonel Nguyen Duy Duc, superintendent of the Bac Giang police’s detention center, said in a recent report in Lao Dong (Labor) newspaper that a convict condemned to death for drug crimes named Ngoc has been “very demanding” and “irritable” recently.

    She is especially particular about her towel, insisting it must have a picture of a rose and not be too large or too small. If she is not given such a towel, she throws it away, screaming in protest.

    Ngoc is known to keep her urine and excrement in a bucket in her room in order to throw it at the prison staff.

    For the last few days she has been screaming constantly and refusing food, demanding that she be transferred to a new cell and assigned a new guard.

    Another prisoner has been crying loudly, claiming to be crazy and in need of hospitalization.

    One female prisoner cries and screams whenever a jailer gives her a copy of her favorite newspaper.

    One only eats rice with monosodium glutamate, but cries and screams if given an alternate seasoning.

    Nguyen Duy Bien has repeatedly attempted to commit suicide. He once tore his clothes to make a noose and hang himself, but fell when the makeshift death instrument gave way.

    He hit his head on the wall twice and stabbed himself in a vein with a coat hanger, but again the attempts failed.

    Elsewhere in the country, at least four inmates have killed themselves while waiting to be executed.

    “Release me or kill me immediately, please. Either is ok, but waiting to be executed is even scarier than death,” said one inmate.

    Scrap death penalty?

    Meanwhile, international experts are urging Vietnam to take this latest delay as an opportunity to scrap the death penalty altogether, saying it is not a deterrent anyway.

    Vietnam modified the Penal Code in 2009 to reduce the number of criminal offences eligible for the death penalty from 30 to 23.

    As of 2012, eight of the 21 countries worldwide which were still carrying out executions were located in the Asia Pacific region.

    Maja Kocijancic, an EU spokesperson, said the bloc is “firmly opposed to the death penalty in all cases and under all circumstances, regardless of the crimes committed.”

    In an email to Vietweek, the EU suggested Vietnam formalize its de facto moratorium on capital punishment, rather than go ahead with its plan to use locally made lethal injections.

    Janice Beanland, Amnesty International's campaigner for Vietnam, maintained that "there is no evidence that the death penalty works as a particular deterrent for crime.”

    Although there are no official statistics, the death penalty is most frequently handed down in Vietnam to those convicted of drug offences and murder.

    According to a recent report issued by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), Vietnamese drug law enforcement agencies arrested 31,419 people involved in drug related crimes last year, an 18 percent increase over 2011.

    Meanwhile, according to the Ministry of Public Security, extremely cruel murder cases in Vietnam have been on the rise. The media has also been carrying story after story of people not hesitating to kill others for the most insignificant reasons.

    With the debate over the effectiveness of the death penalty in deterring crime becoming more voluble in recent years in the country, Beanland said: “Vietnam should perhaps be seeking advice from those countries that do not use the death penalty on how to effectively manage its criminal justice system."

    http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/p...han-death.aspx
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