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    Roberto Roman Sentenced in 2010 UT Slaying of Sheriff's Deputy Josie Greathouse


    Deputy Josie Greathouse Fox


    Suspects in Utah deputy's slaying caught; death penalty sought

    Both suspects sought in the slaying of a Millard County sheriff's deputy were captured Wednesday morning in Beaver County, and prosecutors have already said they intend to seek the death penalty for one.

    Beaver County Sheriff Cameron Noel confirmed that Roberto Miramontes Roman, the alleged killer of Deputy Josie Greathouse Fox, and a "person of interest," Ruben Chavez Reyes, were taken into custody without incident about 8:15 a.m.

    "We got a tip and found them asleep in a shed. Deputies and SWAT officers went in and removed them," Noel said.

    He said the suspects were being transferred at an unspecified time later Wednesday to Millard County's custody in Fillmore. The shed where the suspects were found was behind a home in a mobile home park, in the outskirts of northern Beaver. Security was tight around the scene Wednesday morning, as Utah Highway Patrol, Beaver County and Millard County sheriff's deputies and federal agents combed the area.

    Roman has been charged with aggravated murder, a capital felony, and tampering with evidence, a third-degree felony. As of noon, the suspects were still being held in the Beaver County Jail pending transfer later Wednesday to the Millard County Jail in Fillmore.

    Fox, a 37-year-old mother of two, was gunned down about 1 a.m. Tuesday about one mile east of Delta, shortly after she pulled over a 1995 gray Cadillac Deville driven by Roman. Sheriff's investigators say Roman, 37, possibly armed with an AK-47 assault rifle, opened fire on Fox, killing her with a bullet that entered her chest just above her protective vest.

    Roman's car was one of two vehicles deputies were watching Tuesday in connection with possible thefts and break-ins in the area. The driver of the second car, according to court documents filed Tuesday, was Ryan Greathouse, Fox's brother. The documents say that during the meeting on the dirt road, Greathouse bought drugs from Roman.

    The Millard County sheriff said he is not seeking criminal charges against 40-year-old Greathouse.

    When visited at his home, Greathouse admitted he bought drugs from Roman, court documents say. He told them Roman's telephone number and said Roman had family on Salt Lake City's west side.

    That put the hunt into high gear. A ping of Roman's cell phone produced a hit from a tower on Interstate 15 in Salt Lake County. About 4 a.m., a state trooper near 1100 West and 300 South in Salt Lake City found an orange Corvette with the license plate that belonged to the Cadillac.

    Three SWAT teams deployed in that neighborhood looking for Roman. Utah Highway Patrol Sgt. Jeff Nigbur said the teams found Roman's uncle hiding in a shed, but no sign of Roman.

    Meanwhile police found the Cadillac abandoned outside Nephi. Police there received information Roman might be at the home of a female acquaintance near 600 East and 100 North.

    Nephi Police Chief Mike Morgan said the woman was uncooperative and a SWAT team was called. The woman eventually left the house and police questioned her, Morgan said. When she consented to a search, police found no one inside the house.

    Documents filed Tuesday in state court in Fillmore included aggravated murder charges against Roman, which is punishable by death. Roman was also charged with a felony count of evidence tampering for allegedly changing the license plate on the cars.

    Roman, apparently a Mexican national in the country illegally, has a significant criminal history, beginning in 1992 with a misdemeanor drug distribution charge to which he pleaded guilty in Fillmore.

    Then in 1996 and 1997, Roman was charged in Millard County with in two different cases with a handful of felonies, including drug charges, receiving stolen property and a weapons count.

    He was sent to prison for up to 15 years after pleading guilty to one count of second-degree felony drug possession with intent to distribute and one count of third-degree felony drug possession.

    In the 1996 case, an informant told police he had been selling drugs for Roman for about a year, according to a search warrant affidavit filed in 4th District Court. The informant also told police he had traded a Tech 9mm semi-automatic pistol to Roman for drugs, and that he believed Roman kept the weapon and a cache of illegal drugs in a back bedroom of his Delta area trailer home.

    On Sept. 15, 1998, Roman was released from prison into the custody of immigration authorities and deported.

    Greathouse was convicted of a misdemeanor drug charge in 1994 and again in 2004, according to court documents. Tuesday's documents do not specify what drug he allegedly bought.

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    Remembering Deputy Josie Fox

    Funeral services were tentatively set for the LDS Church Stake Center in Delta on Monday. Viewing was being set up for Sunday night at the Fair Building, also in Delta, the Sheriff's Office said.

    Aaron Rosen, the chaplain for the Utah Peace Officers Association, advises there are three ways to donate to Fox's survivors.

    The association has an endowment to help with funeral expenses and other family needs. The Utah Law Enforcement Memorial, Inc., has a fund for children of deceased officers. Donations to both can be made at 5671 S. Redwood Road, Taylorsville, UT 84123. Or visit upoa.org or utahsfallen.com.

    Rosen says the public can also send donations to the Millard County Sheriff's Office, 765 S. Highway 99, Fillmore, UT 84631. Indicate the donations are for Fox's family.

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    Roberto Roman pleads not guilty in deputy's death

    The man charged in the shooting death of a Utah sheriff's deputy has pleaded not guilty to all counts and will go to trial.

    Roberto Miramontes Roman pleaded not guilty Tuesday in state court to capital murder, evidence tampering and possession of a dangerous weapon by a restricted person.

    Prosecutors have said they will seek the death penalty against the 38-year-old Roman.

    Millard County Sheriff's Deputy Josie Greathouse Fox was shot and killed Jan. 5 during a traffic stop near Delta.

    Another man, 37-year-old Ruben Chavez-Reyes, has pleaded not guilty to five charges including tampering with evidence and obstruction of justice.

    Prosecutors contend Roman shot and killed the 37-year-old deputy, then fled with assistance from Chavez-Reyes.

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    October trial set for accused killer of Millard County deputy

    A trial for the man accused of killing Millard County Deputy Josie Greathouse Fox last year has been tentatively set to begin Oct. 17.

    Roberto Miramontes Roman, 38, is charged with capital murder and two other felonies for allegedly shooting Fox during a 1 a.m. traffic stop on Jan. 5, 2010.

    The trial, before 4th District Judge Donald Eyre, is scheduled to last two weeks and could result in the death penalty for Roman.

    Fox, 37, had stopped Roman’s car because the vehicle allegedly was involved in a drug deal minutes earlier.

    Following his arrest, Roman told police, according to preliminary hearing testimony, that he grew angry at being pulled over because he thought “the only reason he was stopped was he was Mexican.”

    When Fox walked up and demanded his license and registration, Roman pointed the barrel of an AK-47 out his driver-side window and fired, he later told police.

    Ruben Chavez-Reyes, who helped Roman elude police for a day, was sentenced last year to prison for up to 15 years.

    Chavez-Reyes met Roman following the shooting, drove him to Salt Lake City and then accompanied him to Beaver, where the pair were arrested Jan. 6.

    Chavez-Reyes, 37, pleaded guilty to obstructing justice, a second-degree felony, and third-degree felony counts of burglary and evidence tampering

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    Judge deciding if alleged Utah cop killer qualifies for death penalty

    With doctors split on the mental capacity of the man charged with killing a Millard County sheriff’s deputy, it will be up to a judge to decide whether to remove the possibility of death in the capital murder case.

    In court this week, two psychologists testified Roberto Miramontes Román’s IQ falls below 70 — generally considered the threshold for determining mental retardation under the law — and that the alleged killer also has adaptive functioning deficits indicative of mild mental retardation.

    Two other psychologists, however, disagreed. It is now up to 4th District Judge Donald Eyre to rule on whether prosecutors could seek the death penalty if Román is convicted of the 2010 murder of Deputy Josie Greathouse Fox. Following a two-day hearing that concluded Tuesday, attorneys will submit briefs on the issue after which Eyre will make his ruling.

    Stephen Greenspan, a psychologist who did not evaluate Román but reviewed the reports of three other doctors, called Román "the odd man out" in his family, and said he has always needed others’ care to survive.

    "They are all competent adults," Greenspan said. "Mr. Román on the other hand clearly was not competent at that level."

    Doctors said Román, who was born in a home in Mexico, could have been impacted by perinatal anoxia, a shortage of oxygen during birth. That would be a "major risk factor" for mental retardation, Greenspan said.

    Doctors also said Román’s drug and alcohol use, which started at an early age, could have damaged his brain.

    "The damage that you do to your brain [with drugs and alcohol] when you’re an adult is severe, but it’s nothing compared to what you do to your brain in adolescence," said Dr. Ricardo Weinsten, who also found Román to be mentally retarded.

    Doctors said Román struggled with impulse control and decision making. When he was younger, he would walk in front of trucks "and thought he had superhuman abilities" to make them stop, Greenspan said.

    But prosecutors and two other psychologists doubted the diagnosis. Assistant Attorney General Patrick Nolan questioned how Román could have then sold drugs and engaged in other criminal activities for which he has been convicted.

    According to charging documents, Román, 39, shot and killed the 37-year-old Fox during a traffic stop on Jan. 5, 2010. Fox had stopped the car because Román had allegedly been involved in a drug deal just minutes before.

    When Fox walked up to the car and asked for license and registration, Román pointed the barrel of an AK-47 out the driver-side window and fired, according to preliminary hearing testimony.

    Another man, Rubén Chávez-Reyes, is serving time in prison for helping Román evade police following the shooting.

    A trial for Román is scheduled for August.

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    Man charged with killing Millard deputy no longer faces death penalty

    A man accused of murdering Millard County sheriff's deputy no longer faces a possible death sentence.

    Roberto Miramontes Roman, 40, is charged with capital murder, accused of shooting and killing deputy Josie Greathouse Fox during a traffic stop near Delta in 2010. Fox, 37, was shot twice in the chest. But a judge has determined that Roman is "mentally retarded" and ineligible to receive the death penalty.

    Final arrangements were made Tuesday for Roman's two-week trial, which is set to begin Aug. 13. If convicted, Roman could have received the death penalty. But after multiple examinations and a two-day hearing on the matter, 4th District Judge Donald Eyre determined the man was "mentally retarded."

    In his decision, Eyre cited a 2002 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that determined that defendants who have mental retardation cannot be executed under the eighth amendment. The judge referred to the testimony of one psychologist who determined Roman was "an outlier in his family" who required additional help and support "because he was seen as impaired," the ruling states.

    Another doctor said two informants reported that Roman may have been born with perinatal anoxia, in which oxygen is cut off to the infant during the birthing process.

    Eyre quoted another psychologist who noted that someone who is "mentally retarded" may not have an obvious impairment and may still drive, work and gain an education, but found that Roman's frontal lobes were "deficient, which in turn explains his lack of reasoning and impulse control."

    A number of tests indicated Roman has a low IQ and low academic functioning levels. The judge said that while Roman's IQ score was a 71, one point above the sometimes-used cutoff point of 70, he had other concerns.

    "The court finds that the defendant has still demonstrated that his deficits in general intellectual functioning are significant," the ruling states.

    Noting various doctors' reports, adaptive functioning problems, reasoning and impulse control deficits and after sorting through other factors, Eyre determined Roman is, in fact, "mentally retarded" and removed the death penalty as a possible sentence. Prosecutors later withdrew their notice of intent to seek the death penalty.

    On Jan. 5, 2010, Roman was taking a drive and smoking methamphetamine with Fox's brother, Ryan Greathouse, when he saw a car in the distance and said he planned to open fire if it was a police vehicle, according to court testimony. Greathouse exited the vehicle and, soon after, Fox initiated a traffic stop.

    Roman allegedly told police that he was angry he was pulled over when he took care to stay in his lane and follow the speed limit. Believing he was being stopped "because he was Mexican," Roman reportedly told police he caught a glimpse of the police officer and immediately started shooting, according to court testimony.

    Ryan Greathouse was found dead in a Las Vegas bedroom a few months after the shooting.

    In addition to aggravated murder, Roman also faces charges of tampering with evidence and possession of a dangerous weapon by a restricted person in connection with Fox's death.

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8...h-penalty.html
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    Trial begins for man accused of killing Millard County sheriff's deputy

    SPANISH FORK — The trial for a man accused of shooting and killing Millard County sheriff's deputy Josie Greathouse Fox began Monday.

    Roberto Miramontes Roman, 40, is charged with aggravated murder, a first-degree felony, and tampering with evidence and possession of a dangerous weapon by a restricted person, third-degree felonies, in the death of Fox in January 2010.

    Fox, 37, was shot twice in the chest after initiating a traffic stop. She was Millard County's first female patrol officer.

    Roman was originally facing the possibility of the death penalty if convicted, but 4th District Judge Donald Eyre determined that Roman is "mentally retarded" and ineligible to receive a death sentence. The judge's decision came after multiple examinations and a two-day hearing on the matter.

    On Jan. 5, 2010, Roman was taking a drive and smoking methamphetamine with Fox's brother, Ryan Greathouse, when he saw a car in the distance and said he planned to open fire if it was a police vehicle, according to court testimony. Ryan Greathouse exited the vehicle, and soon after, Fox pulled Roman over.

    Roman allegedly told police that he was angry he was stopped when he took care to stay in his lane and follow the speed limit. Believing he was being stopped "because he was Mexican," Roman reportedly told police he caught a glimpse of the deputy and immediately started shooting, according to court testimony.

    Roman and a co-defendant drove as far as Salt Lake City after the incident before they were eventually arrested in a shed in Beaver. Ruben Chavez-Reyes, 39, was convicted by a jury of obstruction of justice, a second-degree felony, as well as burglary and tampering with evidence, third-degree felonies, and was sentenced to prison.

    Ryan Greathouse was found dead in a Las Vegas bedroom a few months after the shooting.

    Roman's trial is scheduled to continue through Aug. 24.

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    Jury: Roberto Miramontes Roman, who once confessed to killing Millard County sheriff's deputy, not guilty

    SPANISH FORK — A man who once confessed to killing a sheriff's deputy, but changed his testimony during this week's trial was acquitted of the murder charge late Friday.

    The jury deliberated nearly eight hours, ultimately finding Roberto Miramontes Román not guilty of shooting and killing Millard County sheriff's deputy Josie Greathouse Fox on Jan. 5, 2010.

    Román, however, was convicted of tampering with evidence and possession of a dangerous weapon by a restricted person, both third-degree felonies.

    The surprise verdict deeply affected Millard County Sheriff Robert Dekker, who said, "The jury was wrong."

    "I believe in my mind that he's guilty and somehow or another he's going to walk," Dekker said after the verdict was read at the 4th District Courthouse.

    Afterward, the jury forewoman said the group wanted to convict, but there was too much reasonable doubt. She expressed condolences to the slain deputy's family.

    "Obviously, we're very happy with the verdict. It's very gratifying when the jury listens to all the evidence," said defense attorney Stephen McCaughey. "He's happy he's not going to be getting life without parole."

    Although Roman initially described to police how he'd shot and killed the sheriff's deputy, McCaughey said his client had been threatened and changed his story after the threat was gone.

    "I don't know what happened, I just know what my client said happened. He explained why he lied to police to begin with," he said. "The jury didn't believe there was enough other evidence to convict. The burden of proof was on the state. They put on a lot of evidence. It really didn't show anything. It was just a lot of fluff."

    The jury began deliberating at about 3 p.m. Friday, asking 4th District Court Judge Donald Eyre at one point how long they'd be expected to stay without reaching a verdict. They entered the courtroom just after 11 p.m.

    Román took the stand in his own defense Thursday and Friday, surprising courtroom observers by testifying that it was Fox's brother, Ryan Greathouse, who actually fired the fatal shots.

    "So, blame the dead guy. Blame the guy who can't defend himself. Blame the guy who can't respond. Blame deputy Fox's dead brother," prosecutor Pat Finlinson said. "Ladies and gentleman, I think that's called adding insult to injury. Ryan Greathouse did not kill his sister."

    Finlinson pointed to an interview on Jan. 6, 2010, when Román confessed to police that he shot the deputy as soon as she approached his vehicle during a traffic stop. He reminded jurors that Roman went so far as to demonstrate how he had held the gun.

    "All the credible evidence, all the believable evidence in this case leads to the conclusion that this defendant killed deputy Josie Greathouse Fox and then ran away," Finlinson said. "The new version is not consistent with the evidence and it's not believable."

    But McCaughey reminded jurors that Román is presumed innocent until proven guilty and said there is no independent evidence, beyond Román's confession, that implicates the man. He reiterated Román's testimony that Greathouse threatened him.

    "(Román) had just seen Ryan Greathouse shoot his sister. He had just heard Ryan Greathouse threaten his children. He was afraid of what he could do," McCaughey told jurors. "He's telling the truth now because the danger is gone."

    Ryan Greathouse was found dead in a Las Vegas bedroom a few months after the shooting.

    Earlier in the day, Román was cross-examined by prosecutors and repeated his testimony that Ryan Greathouse shot his sister and said Greathouse "screamed, he swore and then he cried."

    Prosecutors then called rebuttal witnesses — police officers who went to talk to Ryan Greathouse soon after the shooting and testified that Ryan Greathouse did not appear to have been crying.

    "The inference that you could draw from that is that he didn't have any reaction because he knew his sister was dead," McCaughey said. "He shot her on Highway 50."

    But Finlinson said Román's version of events simply wasn't believable.

    "Remember the true version instead of the new version," he told the jury. "No one has more to gain or lose from this case than the defendant. He doesn't want to go to jail for the rest of his life."

    Román was originally facing the possibility of the death penalty, but Eyre determined that Román is "mentally retarded" and ineligible to receive a death sentence.

    According to evidence from a previous court hearing, Román was taking a drive and smoking methamphetamine with Ryan Greathouse earlier that evening. Román allegedly told police that he was angry when Fox pulled him over because he had taken care to stay in his lane and follow the speed limit. Believing he was being stopped "because he was Mexican," Román reportedly told police he caught a glimpse of the deputy and immediately started shooting, according to court testimony.

    Fox, 37, died after being shot in the chest.

    Mike Román said his brother has claimed his innocence "since the beginning" and that his brother's testimony was "basically what we knew."

    "I believe that a person that killed somebody, you can see it on their face," he said. "He didn't do it."

    Roman will be sentenced for the two third-degree felony charges on Oct. 10.

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    'You got away with murder,' judge tells Roberto Roman, acquitted of killing Millard Co. sheriff's deputy

    SPANISH FORK — When it came time to sentence the man accused and acquitted in the shooting of a Millard County sheriff's deputy, Judge Donald Eyre didn't mince words.

    "At least in my opinion, you got away with murder," the judge told Roberto Miramontes Roman on Wednesday in 4th District Court. "Because of that, I think it's appropriate … that you receive the maximum penalty for the charges you were convicted on."

    The judge then sentenced the man to consecutive sentences of zero to five years in prison for tampering with evidence and possession of a dangerous weapon, both third-degree felonies, in connection with the Jan. 5, 2010, shooting that killed deputy Josie Greathouse Fox, 37. The judge also recommended that Roman pay $591 in restitution.

    "Given the great pain and anguish you've caused … my only concern is that I couldn't give you more time," Eyre said, adding that he will write a letter to the Board of Pardons asking that Roman serve the full term in prison.

    Roman, 40, was charged with aggravated murder in Fox's death and could have faced the death penalty, but he was found to be "mentally retarded" before the trial began and the punishment was no longer an option under law.

    Though he once confessed to killing Fox during a traffic stop, Roman took the stand in his own defense during the trial and said it was actually the deputy's brother, Ryan Greathouse, who shot her. He said Greathouse didn't realize it was his sister until after the shooting and then threatened Roman, forcing him to confess.

    It was undisputed that Greathouse and Roman were smoking methamphetamine together the night Fox was killed. The AK-47 used in the shooting had Roman's fingerprints on them, but he said it was because he had handled the weapon before Greathouse reached across him and pulled the trigger.

    Greathouse, 40, died of an accidental drug overdose 4˝ months after his sister was killed. Prosecutors sought to admit a written statement Greathouse prepared on the night of his sister's death, which they say would have corroborated their theory and disproved Roman's, but it was deemed inadmissible as hearsay evidence.

    Jurors later said the lack of evidence on Greathouse made it difficult to convict "beyond a reasonable doubt" and acquitted Roman of the murder.

    Millard County chief deputy attorney Patrick Finlinson said the verdict shocked him, given what he felt was plenty of evidence to convict. The judge's sentence, though, did provide "some consolation."

    "We're still a little bit disappointed about the results of the jury trial," Finlinson said Wednesday. "I'm absolutely convinced (Roman) shot deputy Josie Greathouse Fox, and I do live with (the jury's) result, but I am happy with what Judge Eyre did today."

    The belief in Roman's guilt was reiterated by Fox's daughter, Hunter Winn.

    "Everyone knows (Roman) killed my mom," Winn said after the sentencing. "Everyone knows that."

    During the hearing, Winn and Fox's husband, Doug, each stood before the judge and asked for a harsh sentence.

    "We have to suffer for the rest of our lives with the fact that we've lost two family members," Winn said. "This is something that's torn each and every one of us apart. We've been beaten down to nothing. … Why shouldn't (Roman) have to suffer as long as we do?"

    She said her mother was a "great person" and a role model to many. Doug Fox also spoke of his wife's character.

    "Josie tried to do everything she could and helped out so many people," he said. "She can't do that anymore. (Roman has) taken that away."

    Doug Fox said he believes the decisions made in the case against Roman were not the right ones, and he asked that Eyre not disappoint with the sentence.

    "(Josie) didn't really trust the justice system," he said. "You don't need to let her down. … You've got one more decision. I hope you make the right one because he doesn't deserve to get out at all."

    Assistant Attorney General Patrick Nolan outlined Roman's history for the judge, noting that Roman was arrested for a DUI at age 18, had been charged with a felony by age 20 and was ordered to prison by the time he was 25 for drug- and gun-related charges. He also said Roman has a history of avoiding accountability for his crimes.

    "Fifteen years have passed, and look where we are," Nolan said. "Drugs and guns got us here. Drugs and guns have led to the deaths of two people in Millard County. … He continues to blame other people. … Never yet has he taken responsibility for any of his conduct."

    Defense attorney Steve McCaughey asked that Eyre sentence his client to concurrent sentences. McCaughey took issue with the consecutive recommendation in a presentence report that, at one point, questioned why Roman never talked with police and told them his version of events.

    "As his attorneys, we told him not to talk to police," the attorney said, before asking Eyre to consider the nearly three years Roman has spent in custody already. "He's done three years of hard time. That ought to be considered by the court."

    But Eyre said he felt Roman's criminal history, "the severity of the crimes" and "the gravity of the surrounding circumstances" warranted consecutive sentences.

    McCaughey said after the hearing that the sentence was one he had expected. He also said he advised Roman against speaking at the hearing due to possible federal charges.

    "That's enough for me to tell him not to say anything," McCaughey said. "We expected (the sentence). We told him going in he'd be getting consecutive sentences."

    McCaughey said an appeal is planned and that the judge's comment about Roman getting away with murder could come up.

    "He could have said it differently, I think," he said.

    Millard County Sheriff Robert Dekker said he agrees completely with the judge.

    "I believe (Roman) got away with murder, and that's upsetting because the very system deputy Fox died protecting failed her in this particular case," the sheriff said. "But it's still a great nation. It's still a great system. It doesn't always work right, and that is what happened in this case."

    Dekker said he was happy with the sentence but that those who knew and loved Fox will continue to struggle with her death and what happened in the trial.

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    Federal attorneys defend Utah deputy killing case


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    SALT LAKE CITY — Federal prosecutors are defending their case against a Utah man acquitted in a state court of killing a sheriff's deputy.

    The U.S. Attorney's Office in Utah argues in court documents filed Wednesday that Roberto Miramontes Roman can be tried on the dozen charges he faces from the 2010 shooting of a Millard County deputy during a traffic stop.

    Roman has argued that he was already tried for the same crime in state court, and the federal case constitutes double jeopardy, which is prohibited by the U.S. Constitution.

    In state court in 2012, Roman was acquitted of aggravated murder but convicted of evidence tampering and a weapons charge.

    He has pleaded not guilty to 11 federal charges he now faces, including the intentional killing of a police officer.

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