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    Unsub - new guy on the block

    Greetings fellow internetters.

    I made an account awhile ago and now i decided to try to post some stuff.
    I am 34 and live in the netherlands.
    I am firmly anti dp and i already described myself like a "liberal nut in the wild" i think that is pretty accurate.
    My hope is that eventually every country and state abolishes the death penalty.
    I am always up for a discussion and exchange idea's so feel free to reply to this thread or drop me a message.

    Kind regards,

    Unsub

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    Welcome to the site Unsub. I look forward to reading more of your somewhat comical anti-death penalty posts. I have faith that the more you read you will come to realize they all can't be rehabilitated.
    An uninformed opponent is a dangerous opponent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unsub View Post
    Of course you are right, not killing anyone is the clear winner every time. It was just that i found the duality of criticizing both apologizing and not apologizing funny. I respect that we wont agree on this, you probably get a good chuckle out of the fact i think we can rehabilitate everyone! (yeah i am a true liberal nut in the wild)
    I get you're a Anti, but do you research all the crimes of DR inmates?? I only ask this, because some of the murders by some of these murder's are over-kill, and most of these inmates are repeat offenders for a whole slew of crimes, and apparently haven't learned from the time most have spent in Prison from their previous crimes.....I can say openly I believe in the death Penalty, but can also be objective and agree with some cases where there is clear cut evidence that could exonerate a DR inmate or prove it was not a premeditated act, and should get LWOP......And have you really taken the time to try to understand the life long nightmare the victims families have to live?? I am not trying to call you out, i am just trying to understand what makes you just take a the stand of being a so-called anti, makes it sound like no matter the crime, they all deserve a 2nd,3rd or even 20th chance, when the murdered victims has no chance for living........

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    Quote Originally Posted by stixfix69 View Post
    I get you're a Anti, but do you research all the crimes of DR inmates?? I only ask this, because some of the murders by some of these murder's are over-kill, and most of these inmates are repeat offenders for a whole slew of crimes, and apparently haven't learned from the time most have spent in Prison from their previous crimes.....I can say openly I believe in the death Penalty, but can also be objective and agree with some cases where there is clear cut evidence that could exonerate a DR inmate or prove it was not a premeditated act, and should get LWOP......And have you really taken the time to try to understand the life long nightmare the victims families have to live?? I am not trying to call you out, i am just trying to understand what makes you just take a the stand of being a so-called anti, makes it sound like no matter the crime, they all deserve a 2nd,3rd or even 20th chance, when the murdered victims has no chance for living........
    Im not sure if this thread is the right place for that discussion, but i guess a moderator will move it if needed.

    I wont deny that there are some inmates that have done some pretty horrible things. I can even agree that some should never be freed again.
    But i dont think the pain and suffering of the victims family should play any part in what punishment the criminal gets, please dont think that i dont care about it. This is gonna sound horrible but the justice system should not care about the victim. It should care about what crime is commited and the intend and culpability of the offender. Emotions should have no place in a justice system.
    The next question is what to do with the people the above system finds unfit to be ever free.
    There are no "right" answers here. I believe that killing someone is never justified. If interested i can explain those reasons. But several good arguments can be made for just killing the guy.

    About the victims family and friends
    I truly believe the current system in place in the us is the worst possible for them. Either execute them fast or just put them in prison. A case that takes 3 decades is almost as bad for them as the original crime.

    Final word:
    I truly sympathise with families that have fallen victim to a crime. Where a crime is commited justice should be done, we only disagree on the form of justice.

    Final Final word:
    Not really satisfied yet. I might edit this a bit later but the big picture will be the same.

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    Please explain to my cousin's now 4 year old granddaughter that her not having her daddy because a man cold bloodedly shot him at HER 3rd birthday party should be ignored. Please tell my cousin's daughter that crying herself to sleep at night because she is now a struggling single mother shouldn't matter. Please tell my nephew that his pain & injuries he received in order to stop the shooter from killing anyone else is irrelevant. Please tell his friend that had just been promoted to Captain in the fire department that his lifelong dream job will not happen because he was gut shot that his lifelong health problems from being shot isn't important.
    My daughter's friend was robbed, kidnapped, raped then shot by a guy she went to school with. We are looking forward to April 26th for him to be put to death for the crimes he committed. Our next focus will be when his partner in crime will also be put to death. That is the only way to insure that they will not get out to hurt any more families. I'm sick & tire of paying my hard earned money to support these low lifes one day longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unsub View Post
    Im not sure if this thread is the right place for that discussion, but i guess a moderator will move it if needed.

    I wont deny that there are some inmates that have done some pretty horrible things. I can even agree that some should never be freed again.
    But i dont think the pain and suffering of the victims family should play any part in what punishment the criminal gets, please dont think that i dont care about it. This is gonna sound horrible but the justice system should not care about the victim. It should care about what crime is commited and the intend and culpability of the offender. Emotions should have no place in a justice system.
    The next question is what to do with the people the above system finds unfit to be ever free.
    There are no "right" answers here. I believe that killing someone is never justified. If interested i can explain those reasons. But several good arguments can be made for just killing the guy.

    About the victims family and friends
    I truly believe the current system in place in the us is the worst possible for them. Either execute them fast or just put them in prison. A case that takes 3 decades is almost as bad for them as the original crime.

    Final word:
    I truly sympathise with families that have fallen victim to a crime. Where a crime is commited justice should be done, we only disagree on the form of justice.

    Final Final word:
    Not really satisfied yet. I might edit this a bit later but the big picture will be the same.
    I agree that the sentences should be carried out in a faster manner...but .,..having said that, the reason they aren't is to insure the convicted are given the time to present any evidence that could exonerate them, or change their sentece from death to LWOP. And this is in place to really protect their rights, and to give them to time to have their sentences over-turned.

    Now my disagreement with your stance on feeling no one should have their lives taken, regardless of the circumstances....My stance is pretty simple..If the law states in certain states that first degree murder can result in the criminal getting the death penalty, so if these criminals know that is a real possibility if they are caught, tried and convicted, and given the death sentence, then they need to accept it....Like i said many DR inmates are repeat offenders and have spent half their lives in Prison.

    And i also feel that we all pay for ther actions, it is the tax payers that have to pay the room, board, and medical expenses for those on DR, where as i am pretty sure the vicitims families would much rather be paying for the college tuition for those killed at a young age, or to invest it to leave for their families, but instead have to pay for the funeral cost, and then for the ones who committed the murders that warranted the DP......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unsub View Post
    Of course you are right, not killing anyone is the clear winner every time. It was just that i found the duality of criticizing both apologizing and not apologizing funny. I respect that we wont agree on this, you probably get a good chuckle out of the fact i think we can rehabilitate everyone! (yeah i am a true liberal nut in the wild)
    Ya Know....I dont get one chuckle out of anything to do with a murderer, and I don't care if they say sorry or not.
    "It's ok to do for others knowing they won't do anything for you"

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmiller855 View Post
    Please explain to my cousin's now 4 year old granddaughter that her not having her daddy because a man cold bloodedly shot him at HER 3rd birthday party should be ignored. Please tell my cousin's daughter that crying herself to sleep at night because she is now a struggling single mother shouldn't matter. Please tell my nephew that his pain & injuries he received in order to stop the shooter from killing anyone else is irrelevant. Please tell his friend that had just been promoted to Captain in the fire department that his lifelong dream job will not happen because he was gut shot that his lifelong health problems from being shot isn't important.
    My daughter's friend was robbed, kidnapped, raped then shot by a guy she went to school with. We are looking forward to April 26th for him to be put to death for the crimes he committed. Our next focus will be when his partner in crime will also be put to death. That is the only way to insure that they will not get out to hurt any more families. I'm sick & tire of paying my hard earned money to support these low lifes one day longer.
    My sister was murdered and dis-membered. I totally agree with your feelings. I am so sorry for the losses in your family.
    "It's ok to do for others knowing they won't do anything for you"

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    Your introduction is the perfect place for this discussion. Itīs easier for others to get your points. I hope we can move on in a civil manner.

    The problem is that youīll never understand that some people want the DP as a punishment for people who commited especialy heinious crimes. A side effect is that this people canīt commit any further crime (LWOPs commited f.e. murder). For you itīs ok if someone gets LWOP (?) or will be released after a period of time. I donīt want this for some murderers. I donīt think you can answer this question (DP yes/no) with a simple yes or no. Itīs a bit like beeing a fan from a sports team.

    I hope you donīt write letters to DR-inmates Unsub....
    No murder can be so cruel that there are not still useful imbeciles who do gloss over the murderer and apologize.

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    This is gonna sound horrible but the justice system should not care about the victim. It should care about what crime is commited and the intend and culpability of the offender.
    In my opinion that statement is absurd! Victimless crimes do not receive the death penalty in the United States.

    On CNCP each death row inmate has their own thread, most have links to appeals. It might behoove you to read a few.


    Emotions should have no place in a justice system.
    Unsub, isn't your opposition to the death penalty based on emotion?
    An uninformed opponent is a dangerous opponent.

    "Y'all be makin shit up" ~ Markeith Loyd

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