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    Actual Innocence After Execution

    Do you think an innocent person has been executed in the US, post 1977.
    If there would be 100% certainty that an innocent has been executed, would that change your views in any way?

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    what a silly hypothetical question.......

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    The first one isnt hypothetical.
    The second is, i hope, an interesting challenge to ones believe system.
    The question i have to answer to challenge my believes is: "Would you parole a prisoner even if you are not 100% sure he will never kill again".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unsub View Post
    Do you think an innocent person has been executed in the US, post 1977.
    NO!


    Quote Originally Posted by Unsub View Post
    If there would be 100% certainty that an innocent has been executed, would that change your views in any way?
    NO! Innocent people are not accused of capital crimes. The single mother of 3 working 2 part time jobs and going to school isn't likely to be accused of capital murder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
    NO! Innocent people are not accused of capital crimes. The single mother of 3 working 2 part time jobs and going to school isn't likely to be accused of capital murder.
    This is just not true, innocent people get accused all the time. Luckily most (Perhaps even all?) get filtered out through trial and the appeals process. But there are people that were convicted and sentenced to death that were truly innocent. I don't know if a innocent man has actually ben executed. But sentenced absolutely. The one person i have real doubts about his guild is Willingham, the fire thingy. But that isnt a 100% sure of innocence so he doesnt count. It does open another interesting question should you executed someone if you are not 100% sure he did it? I should add have added that at start, anyways im rambling now.

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    Should you executed someone if you are not 100% sure he did it?
    The law doesn't require 100% certainty, it only requires beyond a reasonable doubt.
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    Heh i know that is the law But shouldnt the bar be higher for death? I just read that Colorado actually pardonned a guy they executed in 1936 because they were 100% sure he didnt do it. Today´s appeals process is alot better of course but once convicted it is really hard to get off because of actual innocence.
    Justice Scalia is even on record that it isnt against the constitution to execute an innocent man as long as he had a fair trail. I thought my head would explode after i read that, cant imagine a smart guy saying that out loud!

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    I don't care what happened in 1936. And these post execution pardons on cases so old are ridiculous. And no one has claimed that they were 100% sure he didn't do it except you. As to Scalia's comment, I can't imagine an anti ever not taking it out of context and misrepresenting the meaning.
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    From the Troy Davis dissent:

    "This Court has never held that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who has had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is 'actually' innocent."

    Some really nice anti articles if you google that line!
    My favorite: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...nt_enough.html - fair warning, anti! -
    Last edited by Unsub; 04-27-2012 at 09:55 PM.

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    Yes, we know. Antis take it out of context and misrepresent the meaning.
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