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    Jack The Ripper

    Jack The Ripper Was Whitechapel Surgeon Stephen Herbert Appleford, Says Professor Eduardo Cuitiño

    Jack the Ripper was a left-handed surgeon from Essex, claims a Uruguayan mathematician.

    Eduardo Cuitiño identifies Whitechapel Hospital doctor Stephen Herbert Appleford as the man who murdered five women during a reign of terror in 1888.

    The 38-year-old, who is Professor of Statistics at the University ORT of Montevido, spent two years researching the killings and believes Appleford’s spree began following the death of his mother in 1881.

    In a paper entitled Travelling Through Time To Trap Jack The Ripper, he claims Appleford was left-handed, like the killer, who cut the throats of his victims from right to left.

    He says his conclusions come from analysis of the doctor’s handwriting.

    And says he used Google Maps to “develop a geometric theory” around the crimes, the Daily Mail reports, citing Spanish newspaper El Pais.

    Professor Cuitiño’s theory is just the latest in a long series of speculations. Further suspects have included an itinerant Polish labourer, painter Walter Sickert and the eminent Victorian doctor Sir William Gull.

    Earlier this year author John Morris put forward his theory the murderer was actually a woman.

    In his book, Jack The Ripper: The Hand Of A Woman, Morris names the key suspect as Lizzie Williams, of Royal gynaecologist Sir John Williams - later considered a suspect himself.

    The Ripper victims were all prostitutes, murdered and mutilated in the foggy alleyways of Whitechapel. By the surgical nature of the wounds, the killer was assumed to have some surgical knowledge.

    Morris's theory is supported by the findings of an Australian scientist who in 2006 used swabs from letters supposedly sent to police by the Ripper to build a partial DNA profile of the killer.



    A composite of three Scotland Yard issued photographs of serial killer Jack The Ripper's female victims, all killed between August and September 1888 L-R: Annie Chapman, Mary Ann Nicholls and Elizabeth Stride

    The results suggested that the person who murdered and mutilated at least five women from 1888 onwards may have been a woman.

    Ian Findlay, a professor of molecular and forensic diagnostics, told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation that he had developed a profiling technique that could extract DNA from a single cell or strand of hair up to 160 years old. Conventional DNA sampling methods require at least 200 cells.

    Dr Findlay, who is based in Brisbane, travelled to London, where the evidence from the still-unsolved murders is stored at the National Archive.

    The material, which was kept by Scotland Yard until 1961, includes letters sent to police at the time, some of them signed "Jack the Ripper". Most are believed to be fakes, but a handful are thought to have been written by the killer.

    Dr Findlay took swabs from the back of stamps and from the gum used to seal envelopes, and possible bloodstains. He took his haul back to Brisbane, where - concentrating on swabs from the so-called "Openshaw letter", the one believed most likely to be genuine - he extracted the DNA and then amplified the information to create a profile.

    The results were "inconclusive" and not forensically reliable, but he did construct a partial profile and based on this analysis, he said, "it's possible the Ripper could be female".

    Last year a retired British murder squad detective put together what he claims is an image of Jack The Ripper.

    Trevor Marriott created an e-fit of the man he believes was the responsible for the Ripper murders, a German merchant named Carl Feigenbaum, for a BBC television program.

    Feigenbaum was a suspect at the time of the murders, and reportedly told his lawyer that he had a "desire to kill and mutilate every woman who falls in my way." He was later convicted of killing his landlady in Manhattan, and died in the electric chair in New York's Sing Sing prison.

    No photographs of Feigenbaum exist, so the e-fit (an electronic artist's impression) was based on eyewitness descriptions.

    There are hundreds of suspects who have been investigated by sleuths through the years, but no-one has ever been able to conclusively prove the killer's identity.

    This is not the first time that experts have attempted to use modern policing techniques to identify the Ripper. In 2006, Scotland Yard experts created this e-fit of what they thought the Ripper would look like.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...n_2056738.html
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    Just about every medically qualified man living in London in the latter half of the nineteenth century has at some point been accused of being Jack the Ripper. The simple reality is that nobody has a damn clue who he was.




    There is a possibly apocryphal story from the later case of Peter Sutcliffe, who was dubbed the "Yorkshire Ripper" by the press and murdered a dozen women in Yorkshire in the 1980s (exactly a century after his London predecessor). Margaret Thatcher, unhappy with the slow rate of progress by detectives at West Yorkshire Police, sent a team of Metropolitan Police homicide detectives from Scotland Yard to help with the investigation. (The Met are notorious for looking down on other police forces outside London.) On their arrival at WYP headquarters, they said: "Don't worry folks, we're here to catch your Ripper for you."

    To which a WYP detective reportedly replied: "Fuck off, you haven't caught yours yet!"

    And I'm confident they never will...

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    Yeah well, we didn't have a thread on Jack The Ripper. Figured I'd start one with that story!
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    Screaming Lord Sutch's view on the matter:

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    Jack the Ripper mystery solved by top detective after 125 years

    By: David Paul
    Published: Sat, September 21, 2013


    THE Jack the Ripper mystery that has kept the world enthralled since the killer first struck on the streets of Victorian London has been blown apart on the 125th anniversary of the grisly crimes by a former murder squad detective.

    And the bad news for the countless millions of amateur sleuths who have spent years trying to identify the nation’s most notorious serial killer is that he never existed.

    He was just dreamed up by a drunken journalist called Thomas Bulling who wrote a forged letter to Scotland Yard in 1888 pretending to be “Jack” so he could obtain a scoop.


    More than 300 books and dozens of films and TV programmes have named in excess of 100 different men, often on the flimsiest of evidence, as the serial murderer who slashed the throats of five women who he then disembowelled, bringing terror to the gas lit streets of Whitechapel.


    The suspects have included everyone from Queen Victoria’s grandson the Duke of Clarence to Alice in Wonderland author Lewis Carroll.


    Some even said a Sioux Indian warrior called Black Elk, who toured Britain with Buffalo Bill’s Wild West Show in the 1880s, was the guilty man. Others believed child charity campaigner Dr Barnardo was “Jack”.


    But Trevor Marriott, a former murder squad detective with Bedfordshire police, has spent 11 years carrying out a detailed cold-case review of the killings, he has trawled Scotland Yard’s files and used modern-day police techniques backed up with state of the art forensic analysis.


    “The facts of this case have been totally distorted over the years,” said Mr Marriott.


    “The general public have been completely misled by any number of authors and publishers.


    “Jack is supposed to be responsible for five victims, but there were other similar murders before and after the ones attributed to him, both in this country and abroad in America and Germany.”

    In total Mr Marriott has discovered 17 unsolved Ripper-like murders committed between 1863 and 1894. He believes a German merchant seaman called Carl Feigenbaum was responsible for some, but not all of those killings.
    Feigenbaum was a crew member on ships that regularly docked near Whitechapel. He was executed in New York in 1896 after being caught by US police fleeing the scene of a Ripper-style murder there.

    “The reality is there was just a series of unsolved murders and they would have sunk into oblivion many years ago, but for a reporter called Thomas Bulling,” said Mr Marriott.


    Bulling was a drunken journalist with many police contacts at Scotland Yard, who in 1888 was working for the London-based Central News Agency. He was paid to supply crime stories for newspapers.


    “Police got a letter that Bulling had written about the murders which he signed ‘Jack the Ripper’,” said Mr Marriott.


    “It was the most ingenious piece of journalism that has kept this mystery alive for 125 years. Even now any modern-day serial killer is called a ‘Ripper’.


    “You have to ask yourself if ‘Jack’ is an urban myth. Around 80 per cent of the books about him have a picture of a chap on the front stalking the streets of London in a long black cape and a top hat.


    “They were the clothes of an upper class, wealthy man. But back in 1888 if someone dressed like that had actually walked around Whitechapel in the dead of night they wouldn’t have lasted five minutes.


    “It wasn’t just one of the most crime-riddled areas of London, it was one of the worst areas in the country. It’s a false image that has been created by the likes of Hollywood film makers.


    “New facts have come to light, we’ve now disproved the claim that the killer removed organs from the victims at the scenes of the murders, the organs were removed later once they were in a mortuary.


    “There just isn’t a Jack The Ripper as such.”


    But the interest in the Ripper murders is still so strong that just this month the East London Advertiser, the newspaper that covers the Whitechapel area published a 12-page souvenir pull out to mark the 125th anniversary of the crimes.


    Meanwhile Trevor Marriott is mid-way through a 36-date theatre tour of the UK with his one man show called “Jack The Ripper A 21st Century Investigation” in which he reveals the research he has done and the forensic evidence that he says finally reveals the real story about the killings.

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/...fter-125-years
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackadder View Post
    Why does it appear you Americans are so fascinated with the original 'Ripper' from the UK when, who had less than 10 victims, you seem to your own rippers in spade loads? It must go beyond a curiosity to be almost a way of life to confirm your 'Demon Haunted World' and an excuse to have the right to 'bare arms'!
    Why are you anti-death penalty Europeans so fascinated with American death row inmates? It must go beyond a curiosity to be almost a mental illness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackadder View Post
    Why does it appear you Americans are so fascinated with the original 'Ripper' from the UK when, who had less than 10 victims, you seem to your own rippers in spade loads? It must go beyond a curiosity to be almost a way of life to confirm your 'Demon Haunted World' and an excuse to have the right to 'bare arms'!
    What a bizarre non-sequitor.

    Many serial killers worldwide are given nicknames derived from Jack the Ripper, ever heard of the Yorkshire Ripper, Suffolk Ripper, Balashikha Ripper or Rostov Ripper? Or even Jack the Stripper?

    There are about 5 times as many people in the US as there are in Britain, so 5 times as many serial killers, and Britain is hardly excempt from serial killers, some of whom have many more victims than Jack the Ripper. Mary Ann Cotton, Peter Manuel, John Reginald Christie, John George Haigh, Amelia Dyer, Harold Shipman and Dennis Nilsen spring to mind.

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    Yeah and we take care of our serial killers such as Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Aileen Wournoes etc all dead. Europe just slaps them in jail or a mental institution where there is a chance they can get out. We Americans may seem blood thirsty to those who are anti but we can sleep at night knowing that the likes of these depraved beings are never going to have the opportunity to kill again.

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    There are about 5 times as many people in the US as there are in Britain
    So it's the murder rate per 100,000 that matters!

    Murder rates in America, 4.8 in Britain 1.0, per 100,000.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

    But we don't have the 'right' to bare arms!

    Quote Originally Posted by Trudie View Post
    but we can sleep at night
    How come? With such a high murder rate? So the DP doesn't seem to be working!

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    The DP is working fine it has to do with arrogant murderers who truly believe they will not get caught or drug and alcohol addiction where someone is so high or drunk they become extremely violent. We also have a few states unwilling to impose the punishment so why not in there minds the worst that can happen is they become a permanent guest of the state with housing and meals and medical all payed by the taxpayer. So Blackadder what exactly is your point?

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