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    It boggles my mind that large states, like California, which has a bunch of different prisons, can't dedicate a few of them to only housing sex-offender prisoners.

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    I wonder how many of these inmates that were sex offenders were killed by other sex offenders. Wish there were more details about the murders. At least like 10 case studies or so.

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    Interesting question, joe_con. If programs like Lockup are to be believed, virtually all of the violence against sex offenders is perpetrated by non-sex offenders. But such programs may have axes to grind, so I don't know how much credibility they have on this matter.

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    When I taught at a prison (a supermax) my supervisor wanted me specifically _not_ to know what crimes most of my students were in for, since I might then accidentally let slip that someone was a sex offender. My understanding was that the sex offenders would primarily be killed not by sex offenders, but regular prisoners. I had one student who had murdered a sex offender in prison (he told me the story). He killed him because he was bragging about raping little girls, and my student had been raped as a little boy. Another student told me that the hatred of sex offenders is in great measure because so many of them were themselves abused as children (many of them were very aware that sexual and other abuse is one of the big reasons a lot of them ended up the way they did, which even my students said didn't take away from their poor choices, but nonetheless contributed to them).

    One quick story that my students told me about this. In California new prisoners are sent to San Quentin before they are sorted and sent to various prisons with different security levels. One prisoner had been arrested for embezzling enough money to make it so he'd be sent away. So at San Quentin he is in with violent offenders as well as white collar criminals and check kiters and car thieves. His attorney gave him very bad advice, which was to refuse to tell any other prisoners what he was in for. So the student who was telling this story stopped and said to everyone in the room, "You get some guy who is in his 40s, white, clearly white collar, short hair, looks very conservative, clearly middle to upper middle class, refuses to say what he's in for, what do you assume?" Everybody says, "Child molester." The guy says, "Exactly. So one day a bunch of other prisoners grab him in his cell, and start pulling him out to throw him off the top tier, and he's screaming, 'Why are you doing this to me?' One of the other prisoners calls him a 'child rapo,' and he starts yelling, 'I'm an embezzler!' and shows them his papers. They say, 'Oh, that's cool. Sorry about that, man. Sorry to scare you. Want some smokes?'"

    Anyway, my understanding is that if sex offenders were attacked, it was by regular prisoners.
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    I know some states like Florida and Colorado usually house sex offenders with each other. I know sex offenders are bad, but I still classify sex offenders better than murderers. When you rape, you take something away but when you murder you take everything away.

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    Bear in mind that sometimes "Sex Offender" is an abstract concept. Indecent exposure, possession of certain pornography and even public urination can get one on a Sex Offender list but aren't even close to rapists and killers. That's not even getting into the Rapes that aren't "Rape Rape" such as Statutory where both willing participants are under 18 or otherwise consensual sex but under False Pretenses.
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    This is insane. Public urination should get you a fine and nothing more.
    And even the word statutory rape is too harsh. It should sound inappropriate sexual contact and should never get you on a sex offender list because you aren't dangerous in any way.
    You should change your laws. Because this criminalizes people who (in my eyes) aren't criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derrick Jensen View Post
    When I taught at a prison (a supermax) my supervisor wanted me specifically _not_ to know what crimes most of my students were in for, since I might then accidentally let slip that someone was a sex offender. My understanding was that the sex offenders would primarily be killed not by sex offenders, but regular prisoners. I had one student who had murdered a sex offender in prison (he told me the story). He killed him because he was bragging about raping little girls, and my student had been raped as a little boy. Another student told me that the hatred of sex offenders is in great measure because so many of them were themselves abused as children (many of them were very aware that sexual and other abuse is one of the big reasons a lot of them ended up the way they did, which even my students said didn't take away from their poor choices, but nonetheless contributed to them).
    That is a really good point. In my head I always had it figured that society detests sex offenders (especially child sex offenders) and prison happens to be an environment with particularly violent people from wider society, leading to obvious results. But the point that prisoners are also disproportionately more likely to be victims of sex offenders adds a revenge dynamic to the whole situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Derrick Jensen View Post
    One quick story that my students told me about this. In California new prisoners are sent to San Quentin before they are sorted and sent to various prisons with different security levels. One prisoner had been arrested for embezzling enough money to make it so he'd be sent away. So at San Quentin he is in with violent offenders as well as white collar criminals and check kiters and car thieves. His attorney gave him very bad advice, which was to refuse to tell any other prisoners what he was in for. So the student who was telling this story stopped and said to everyone in the room, "You get some guy who is in his 40s, white, clearly white collar, short hair, looks very conservative, clearly middle to upper middle class, refuses to say what he's in for, what do you assume?" Everybody says, "Child molester." The guy says, "Exactly. So one day a bunch of other prisoners grab him in his cell, and start pulling him out to throw him off the top tier, and he's screaming, 'Why are you doing this to me?' One of the other prisoners calls him a 'child rapo,' and he starts yelling, 'I'm an embezzler!' and shows them his papers. They say, 'Oh, that's cool. Sorry about that, man. Sorry to scare you. Want some smokes?'"

    Anyway, my understanding is that if sex offenders were attacked, it was by regular prisoners.
    I'm not surprised that this would happen, a local celebrity where I grew up is currently in prison awaiting trial for something (no one's quite sure what) and I've heard three rumours about what he's been charged with, one of which is paedophilia related. People will talk and assume the worst when they don't know the truth.

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    This is insane. Public urination should get you a fine and nothing more.
    And even the word statutory rape is too harsh. It should sound inappropriate sexual contact and should never get you on a sex offender list because you aren't dangerous in any way.
    You should change your laws. Because this criminalizes people who (in my eyes) aren't criminals.
    In the UK I believe it's only charged as rape if the minor is under 13, whereas if they're under 16 it's sexual activity with a minor.

    A couple of years ago the Justice Secretary caused some controversy when he said on a radio program that there were different degrees of rape and contrasted a violent assault by a stranger with consensual sex with 15 year old girl as an example. Amid the outcry by feminists, very few commentators noticed that the crime he'd contrasted with stranger rape, while liable to put you on the sex offenders register, wouldn't be charged as rape, and therefore the country had a Justice Secretary who didn't know the laws on rape.

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    Sex offenders are only marked men in prison if they are smaller or have no fighting ability. Violent inmates are by nature cowardly predators and only attack those inmates that are weaker. Read up on Wayne Robertson who was a notorious homosexual rapist in the California prison system and who was in prison for raping a 7 year old girl back in the 1980's, he was also insanely huge and violent. If anyone deserved to be a marked for death he did but owing to his size and violent nature the inmates he was housed with feared him and left him alone. Luckily in the 2000's criminal justice reform starting take place and this animal was placed in solitary confinement where he belongs.

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    Federal judge orders California to pay up to $100K for inmate's sex change surgery


    This March 28, 2014 photo provided by the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation shows Michelle-Lael Norsworthy.



    A federal judge has ordered that a California prison inmate be allowed to undergo gender reassignment surgery.

    Should the operation occur, it will be the first in state prison history and cost as much as $100,000, according to Joyce Hayhoe, spokeswoman for California Corrections Health Care Services.

    U.S. District Court Judge Jon Tigar in San Francisco ruled Thursday (April 2) that Michelle-Lael Norsworthy's constitutional rights were being violated if the inmate's "serious medical need" was not met, according to the ruling.

    Norsworthy, 51, is housed at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione. Norsworthy, born Jeffrey Bryan Norsworthy, was convicted of murder, according to the Associated Press.

    Norsworthy, who has identified as a woman since the 1990s, has suffered severe dysphoria, or dissatisfaction with her life, because of her natural-born gender, Tigar said in the ruling.

    "The weight of the evidence demonstrates that for Norsworthy, the only adequate medical treatment for her gender dysphoria" is sexual reassignment surgery, Tigar said in his ruling.

    The Department of Corrections denied the "necessary treatment" for reasons unrelated to medical need, according to the ruling.

    "The evidence suggests that Norsworthy's request for SRS was denied because (the Department of Corrections) has a blanket policy barring SRS as a treatment for transgender inmates," Tigar wrote.

    State prison officials are considering appealing the ruling, the Associated Press reported.

    Norsworthy entered prison in April 1987, according to records. She began identifying as a woman in the 1990s and was diagnosed with dysphoria in January 2000, according to the ruling.

    The operation is to take place in the near future, according to the ruling.

    "Defendants shall take all of the actions reasonably necessary to provide Norsworthy sex reassignment surgery as promptly as possible," according to the ruling.

    Hayhoe said her office is reviewing the ruling to "determine the next steps."

    Surgical operations do not take place at prisons in California, Hayhoe said. All operations, including Norsworthy's should it happen, are done at community hospitals.

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