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    Quote Originally Posted by Helen69 View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about. American's were the ones coming over the border going to walk in clinics because they had no health coverage and purchasing on line pharmaceuticals because they can buy them from on line Canadian companies at a fraction of the price, as opposed to buying from American drug companies. Everyone in Canada has health coverage from the day they are born and doctors and nurses are paid by the government. It is by no means a perfect system but its better then facing bankruptcy or losing ones house because some insurance company decides they no longer want to cover you. I don't understand a system where your health is ultimately decided by companies which are in the business for profit.
    EXACTLY! ALL the best healthcare on earth have government oversight to prevent abuses PLUS a mandate! It was Mitt Romney himself who said a mandate is required to increase the pool of funds and bring the costs down for us ALL! He made a fool of himself by opposing Obamacare since that's the exact same thing they have in MA! People in other states have the same medical conditions they have in MA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stixfix69 View Post
    wrong, there have been 60 plenty of documentaries on how Canadians have come here, because of the free health care, it could take up to 3+ months to get a doctors appt. Not the case in the United states, so check your facts.
    Like I said the system is by no means perfect. If Canadians do come over the border it is because they choose not to wait and can afford to pay for surgery in the States, also I know the provincial government where I live Ontario has paid to have its residents receive treatment in the US for various reasons and companies that have good benefit packages will cover the employees costs of having treatment in the US. The difference between Canadians coming over the border and Americans, is Canadians choose to do it because they can afford to and Americans had no choice because they had no health coverage in their own country, or they couldn't afford the ongoing cost of drugs to treat their various ailments. Also if you look at cancer survival rates in Canada and the US they are pretty even, which means that our system works and I don't lose my house!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKindExecutioner View Post
    HA HA! Tell me about it! Did you see that crazy right wing group Freedom Watch in front of the white house a few months ago with a Confederate flag? Racism abounds on the right and they are either in total denial or too dumb to see it! When GOP presidents brought up national healthcare with a mandate it's fine but not when the black president does it!
    See, this is the type of post from you that drives me nuts. You never bother to research anything you see or read on MSM. I suppose the government infringing upon all your rights is OK, me not so much. You should check out Freedon Watch before you call the organization a "crazy right wing group".
    The demonstration you are speaking of was a group of vets protesting the closing of the WWII memorial and other national parks, and monuments.

    Veterans and other demonstrators on Sunday protested at the World War II memorial and other national landmarks and monuments that have been closed by the ongoing federal government shutdown.

    The rally, the "Million Vet March on the Memorials," drew conservative politicians like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Sarah Palin, who both spoke at the event.

    It also drew scrutiny because of some of the protesters who showed up — including one man brandishing a Confederate flag and another, Larry Klayman of the conservative advocacy group Freedom Watch, who accused President Barack Obama of being a Muslim.

    "I call upon all of you to wage a second American nonviolent revolution, to use civil disobedience, and to demand that this president leave town, to get up, to put the Quran down, to get up off his knees, and to figuratively come out with his hands up," Klayman told the crowd, according to CNN, which has the video.

    The protest was part of a furor that has sparked up on the right over the closure of the landmarks. It began on the first day of the shutdown, when a group of World War II veterans were not allowed to enter the memorial. Republican members of Congress subsequently appeared at the memorial — many of them have accused Obama of using troops as political pawns.

    The White House has fired back that Republicans are responsible for the closures, and the shutdown, because of their original fight to "defund Obamacare" through the continuing resolution.


    And...For someone who hails from the "Show Me State" here ya go!

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    Senator Ted Cruz is a Canadian, his father was Cuban and his mother American.

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    Once upon a time I was sitting in my useless doctor's waiting room next to an American bloke from sunny eastern Pennsylvania. Well when I say "once upon a time" it wasn't really that long ago: it was around the time that Obamacare was being bludgeoned through the Congress by Barry, Harry and Nancy.

    But I digress. For some unknown reason this gentleman had decided to bring his young son to see Mother England, but while here his son had unfortunately taken a slight fall while walking atop a short wall and had sustained an unseemly gash to his forehead just above his left eye. He, the father, was pestering engaging me in stimulating conversation and remarked (1) how overawed he was by the apparent generosity of the British system for patching up his kid free of charge; (2) how pathetic it was that the richest country in the world (albeit not per capita) has for decades failed abjectly to craft a system capable of treating all, rather than some, or indeed none, of its citizens absent the spectre of bankruptcy looming behind one corner and death around the other; and (3) how any British tourist injured or taken ill while visiting the United States should not expect to see that generosity reciprocated but, on the contrary, to be milked for every single cent they're worth.

    And the quality of care was not in issue either: to the best of my knowledge, the boy's head did not turn gangrenous and fall off.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helen69 View Post
    which means that our system works and I don't lose my house!!
    You socialist filth!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JT View Post
    Once upon a time I was sitting in my useless doctor's waiting room next to an American bloke from sunny eastern Pennsylvania. Well when I say "once upon a time" it wasn't really that long ago: it was around the time that Obamacare was being bludgeoned through the Congress by Barry, Harry and Nancy.

    But I digress. For some unknown reason this gentleman had decided to bring his young son to see Mother England, but while here his son had unfortunately taken a slight fall while walking atop a short wall and had sustained an unseemly gash to his forehead just above his left eye. He, the father, was pestering engaging me in stimulating conversation and remarked (1) how overawed he was by the apparent generosity of the British system for patching up his kid free of charge; (2) how pathetic it was that the richest country in the world (albeit not per capita) has for decades failed abjectly to craft a system capable of treating all, rather than some, or indeed none, of its citizens absent the spectre of bankruptcy looming behind one corner and death around the other; and (3) how any British tourist injured or taken ill while visiting the United States should not expect to see that generosity reciprocated but, on the contrary, to be milked for every single cent they're worth.

    And the quality of care was not in issue either: to the best of my knowledge, the boy's head did not turn gangrenous and fall off.




    You socialist filth!!

    Funny JT...theres that dry wit again lol.

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    Obamacare, by no means, is free. It's not affordable either. And still, the entitled are receiving free medical care via medicaid. If you choose not to buy healthcare insurance you are fined, in other words, taxed.

    If the federal government is going to mandate healthcare for all, they need to model the system after the Brits and Canadians. It is a violation of the Constitution to force someone to purchase a product or service they don't want.

    Before you all jump on me it was a 5-4 split SCOTUS decision. That means me and the 4 justices know what's right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
    If you choose not to buy healthcare insurance you are fined, in other words, taxed. [...] It is a violation of the Constitution to force someone to purchase a product or service they don't want.
    The Supreme Court did not uphold the individual mandate penalty upon the basis that it was a fine but upon the basis that it was a tax. Indeed, the Court was explicit that the mandate would be unconstitutional were it to be classified as a fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heidi View Post
    Obamacare, by no means, is free. It's not affordable either. And still, the entitled are receiving free medical care via medicaid. If you choose not to buy healthcare insurance you are fined, in other words, taxed.

    If the federal government is going to mandate healthcare for all, they need to model the system after the Brits and Canadians. It is a violation of the Constitution to force someone to purchase a product or service they don't want.

    Before you all jump on me it was a 5-4 split SCOTUS decision. That means me and the 4 justices know what's right!
    Don't think are system doesn't have problems. Each province gets to decide which drugs are covered. See links below which show how some people don't get life saving treatment.

    http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews...12-164836.html

    http://globalnews.ca/news/927721/mil...cer-treatment/

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    i find it astounding citizens put up so much money, so they can cover others, and they get horrible service,,,cancer patients waiting years to have their issues addressed is criminal....

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